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Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by 015UUZn8aEvW on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:33PM (#30607385)
Russia will be greatly hurt overall by all of these sanctions and corporate decisions. Still, it's striking how many of the American companies pulling their products from Russia sell things that weaken and enervate the people who consume them. I personally would probably be better off if I lost access to all Coca-Cola products. Likewise for Netflix, Instagram, etc. It doesn't say anything good for America that so many of its big companies fall into that category.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by ajsnigrutin on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:17PM (#30607991)
CocaCola will be replaced by local drinks, netflix etc. by piracy, facebook etc. with VK.com, and china will replace the hardware (eg xiaomi/huawei instead of iphones). The disruption will probably be lower than in it was during the peak of supply chain issues during the first covid waves, just with enough toilet paper and yeast, and less of the stuff that isn't really that mandatory for normal day-to-day life.

On the other hand, europe will freeze without russian gas, and oil prices will make everything even more expensive worldwide.

The winner of all of this? China, with cheap russian gas (that russia will be forced to sell them, because they have noone else to sell it to) and more products/gardgets/stuff sold, with eu/usa imports stopped.

And the loser? Average joe, again.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by andrewinardeer on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:48PM (#30608370)
I'd say the Ukrainians are losing far more than the 'average joe'.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by gutitout on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:25PM (#30609911)
Those are the average joes. They’re just in another country.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by myth_drannon on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:25PM (#30608115)
Not to mention potential famine in Africa/SE Asia. Russia/Ukraine combined wheat exports are 25% of total.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by cronix on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:14PM (#30608658)
Now look at how much fertilizer Russia produces (~23% global supply of ammonia, 14% of urea and 21% of potash). That affects a lot more than just wheat. Food costs are going to soar way beyond what they currently are, world-wide.

> Natural gas is a commonly used as a feedstock to produce two nitrogen-based fertilizers – ammonia and urea – in large quantities.

> In the production of ammonia or urea, natural gas is processed at an upgrading plant together with nitrogen (taken from the air). During the process, 80% of the gas is used as feed¬stock for fertilizer, while the remaining 20% is used for heat and electricity production. The two main end products, ammonium nitrate and urea, are then mixed with other ingredients—mainly phosphorus and potassium—to manufacture a range of synthetic fertilizers for use on farms.

https://context.capp.ca/articles/2020/pirl-fertilizers/

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by Fatnino on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:50PM (#30610073)
Easy fix is for the west to forbid anyone to sell food to China. China can drink Russia's cheap oil and eat Russia's scarse, expensive food while the rest of the world has stomachs full of the food that would have gone to China.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by simonblack on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @10:41PM (#30610658)
and eat Russia's scarse, expensive food

Now that Russia is the world's biggest wheat producer, it seems that Russian food will be neither scarce nor expensive. And also seeing that it produces a good proportion of the world's fertiliser, it seems that food grown elsewhere will be scarce and expensive.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by Reichhardt on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:19PM (#30609334)
Sounds like a great time to promote contraception, abortion, education for women as global values. Africa and West Asia's exponential population growth had to end at some point.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by ashwagary on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @08:11PM (#30609790)
>population growth had to end at some point.

They'll be fine, I expect no prolonged famine, if any. Population growth will continue as expected. Ignoring western sanctions in exchange for food is a good idea if it comes to that.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by danuker on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @02:10AM (#30611730)
Even before the war, in Romania where I'm from, gas prices became so high, that resistive heating became cheaper, when you opt for the national hydroelectric supplier (which anyone can do, they provide more than a third of electricity).

If you used heat pumps, you'd get 5x cheaper (or whatever CoP you get).

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by tablespoon on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:26PM (#30608119)
> The winner of all of this? China, with cheap russian gas (that russia will be forced to sell them, because they have noone else to sell it to) and more products/gardgets/stuff sold, with eu/usa imports stopped.

This is true, and it's why sanctions are dumb. Another example is Belarus. My understanding is for years they played the West against Russia, and their authoritarian government retained some independence as a result. Then the West slapped sanctions on them, which pushed them into the suffocating arms of Putin, and it became a staging area and accomplice to Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

The West probably needs some more realpolitik. Not the fuck your friends and bow down to your enemies kind that seems to be a bit in vogue, but the kind where you admit distasteful allies into your alliances against your stronger adversaries.

> And the loser? Average joe, again.

The real losers are the Ukrainians who are getting their country conquered by invaders.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by pmoriarty on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:33PM (#30608204)
"Another example is Belarus. My understanding is for years the played Europe against Russia, but their autocratic government retained some independence as a result. Then the West slapped sanctions on them, which pushed them into the suffocating arms of Putin, and it became a staging area and accomplice to Putin's invasion of Ukraine."

Contrast that with Finland and Sweden seriously considering joining NATO, NATO putting more weapons and soldiers in to the Baltic and Eastern European states, Germany and other NATO states increasing military spending, and moving much faster towards energy independence.

These consequences are evidence of a major miscalculation on Putin's part, who certainly would never want to see any of that happen.

Not to mention the world edging ever closer to WW3, in which everyone would be the loser.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by Mironja7 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:15PM (#30608684)
Meh, they'll be forgotten soon...

If this was some middle eastern country, destroyed by the americans, this would be a "peacekeeping" occupation.. i mean operation.

The prices and the financial losses of individuals around the world would be remembered more.

Sad, but true.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by sithadmin on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:04PM (#30607789)
>many of the American companies pulling their products from Russia sell things that weaken and enervate the people who consume them

As for food products - let's not pretend that off the shelf native alternatives like kvass (or beer) are much better - they're still chock-full of simple carbs that lend themselves to obesity and insulin resistance.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by ajsnigrutin on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:19PM (#30608015)
Well yeah, but buying kvas instead of cocacola is better for russian industry, and worse for american industry. USA/EU stopping imports of kvas would probably hurt them more, but they probably don't import any significant quantities of those.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by 0x737368 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:19PM (#30608017)
How dare you speak in such disrespectful manner to kvass, you philistine!

On a serious note, most of store bought kvass might as well be Coca Cola but the real thing is good for you - it's a Russian kombucha. The sugar gets all used up in the process of fermentation and the bacteria are good for you.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by pmoriarty on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:36PM (#30608246)
I'd like to see some credible evidence that it's any better than beer, which is also made through fermentation.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by krageon on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @04:24AM (#30612523)
IIRC kombucha is barely alcoholic, the fermentation mostly makes it fizzy.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by pmoriarty on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:24PM (#30618142)
I wasn't asking about kombucha.

I was asking about kvas.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by krageon on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:10AM (#30624424)
Yes, and the poster said it was "russian kombucha".
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by aaaaaaaaata on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:40PM (#30608294)
Beer can be good for you in proper volume.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by long_time_gone on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:45PM (#30607550)
> It doesn't say anything good for America that so many of its big companies fall into that category.

The big companies of America fall into every category, not just the ones you cherry-picked. You could have easily mentioned GE, Intel, MSFT, Apple, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ford, GM, Kroger, Walgreens, Deere, Oracle, Caterpillar, and a bunch of other as-big companies. Those companies each have higher revenues than Coca-Cola, Instagram, or Netflix.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by BigComrade on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @05:23PM (#30608081)
The companies pulling out of Russia will lose revenue. That is an objective fact. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

On the flip side, this isn’t that bad for Russia. Multinational corporations suck the life out of medium and small businesses. Such a mass exodus of goods and services gives the people of Russia an opportunity to establish their own homegrown businesses, which is empowering.

Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by trash3 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @06:27PM (#30608810)
Not to mention the whole addiction factor of their products. Won't be good for moral.
Re:The Coca-Cola Company Suspends Its Business in Russia by LegitShady on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:59PM (#30607718)
Chinese companies will fill all of these gaps as soon as they can and that will be that.