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Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:58AM (#30589322)
The word you're looking for is "annex". The US wanted to occupy Iraq until a puppet government could stand on its own. This is strictly identical to Russian goals in Ukraine. Neither want to annex, they want to occupy until a self-sustaining puppet government can be installed.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Monday March 07, 2022 @02:52PM (#30592511)
They now want Ukraine to recognize Crimea as legally annexed, and two additional regions as independent states (likely will join Russia after that).
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Monday March 07, 2022 @03:07PM (#30592689)
Crimea is already annexed, and LPR/DPR are already de-facto independent. That is the aftermath of the 2014 events. It is necessary for Ukraine to recognize these losses if there is to be some kind of peace, since it's not possible for them to gain it back.

That's why the current invadion is moreso akin to the Iraq war. The invadion in 2014 can be analogised to other conflicts, if you want.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Monday March 07, 2022 @03:15PM (#30592767)
> That's why the current invadion is moreso akin to the Iraq war.

The topic of discussion is that it is not:

- Russia has clear intent to annex territory

- US never had such intent from early 20 century: they left Iraq when they were asked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_tr...

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Monday March 07, 2022 @05:40PM (#30594317)
The US did not leave Iraq when they were asked to. They simply called a few thousand of them "defence contractors" instead, and promptly returned them all in 2014.

Russia has already annexed territory.

By the way, the US is still occupying territory to this day in Cuba, so clearly the intent remains.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Monday March 07, 2022 @05:46PM (#30594373)
> They simply called them "defence contractors" instead, and promptly returned them all.

"All" means 100k of initial invasion forces? Or few hundreds who provide security to commercial objects in Iraq?

> Russia has already annexed territory.

They occupied territory, it is not recognized by many countries as annexed. Now they want it to be recognized.

It

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:21AM (#30601662)
They put pack more than 10 000 troops and took control of Iraqi airspace.

The troops I'm talking about weren't for commercial security. They were in US "embassy" complexes and were used as an occupying military.

Russia annexed Crimea. They aren't occupying it. It is a done fact. Annexation has nothing to do with international recognition. Annexation is when a sovereign state takes over territory and annexes it to it's own. Which Russia did to Crimea in 2014.

Russia is asking Ukraine to recognize the facts on the ground and give up it's claim, after which both countries may exist in a state of peace.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:45AM (#30602044)
> They put pack more than 10 000 troops and took control of Iraqi airspace.

Could you provide any reference on this?

> Russia annexed Crimea. They aren't occupying it.

Looks like rest of the world is in disagreement with this statement.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by empressplay on Monday March 07, 2022 @04:56PM (#30593814)
lol when Iraq's puppet government was asked by the US to ask them to leave you mean
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Monday March 07, 2022 @05:47PM (#30594383)
I am under impression that current Iraq government is not puppet, and even more pro-Iran than pro-US.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:22PM (#30596078)
The current Iraq government is a puppet. The US kills people on Iraqi soil without asking for their permission, and when they asked the US to leave, they strongarmed the government.

The Iranian affinity comes in no small part organically or from pro-Iranian militias.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:32PM (#30596127)
Government is not a puppet, because they are publicly against US actions, and asked US to leave.

They couldn't do anything about US actions, yes, because lacking military power.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sudosysgen on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:18AM (#30601623)
So you're saying that the Iraqi government does not have a monopoly of violence, and has to share it with the US? That is to say, an occupation. Which you just said wasn't the case.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by riku_iki on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:47AM (#30602070)
> That is to say, an occupation.

I don't think it is an occupation as this word is defined.