Please stop perpetuating flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
Ah, there was a misunderstanding. I am talking about the 2003-2011 Iraq war. The ISIS thing is a direct result of the destabilization caused by the invasion. The 13k figure was for that invasion, I do not know how many civilians died by the hands of the US in the ISIS war, although the independent sources cited in wikipedia claim the deaths to be "8,317–13,190".
"Second, this was over 5 years, half a decade!"
And? The US has not really changed. Look at Yemen, Libya, etc.
"Third, great care was taken to not harm civilians."
You certainly can't see that great care in the "collateral murder" video. I am sure Russia will also talk about the great care that it took to not hurt civilians.
"Fourth, this was the US and her allies, not the US alone. Some of her allies are locals."
I don't think that this really changes anything. In addition Russia could claim the same about solders from Chechnya, Belarus, Crimea, etc.
"You are working so hard, and diligently, to present the US in the worst light possible"
You are working so hard, and diligently, to justify the atrocities that the US committed.
Please stop perpetuating flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
Wrong logic.
First, one report claims this as a theory, where as the US believes 1300.
Second, this was over 5 years, half a decade!
Third, great care was taken to not harm civilians.
Fourth, this was the US and her allies, not the US alone. Some of her allies are locals.
Further, this was a campaign against a violent group, Islamic State, invading, and slaughteting people relentlessly. Had the US and allies not stepped in, it is not hard to imagine IS killing even more, had their progress not been halted.
This is just an absurd comparison. You are working so hard, and diligently, to present the US in the worst light possible. It is just silly.