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Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by dragonwriter on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:17AM (#30566447)
> Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense

The crackdown on non-state media, especially if it is not exactly in line with the state propaganda message, makes it harder to do that.

> Especially if they also start to see a deterioration in their quality of life...

A narrative that explains and places blame elsewhere for that is fairly easy with complete control of information, especially since it being due to economic warfare by the West is true (and how even some Western leaders have described it.)

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Saturday March 05, 2022 @07:38AM (#30566999)
Yup, I add to your second point from my experience.

I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war). The government successfully collapsed the economy but they control the mainstream media and their supporters still blame (and truly believe in what they say) the opposition for everything bad that the government does.

Controlling people's mindset is apparently easier than it seems when you control media.

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by sobkas on Saturday March 05, 2022 @07:54AM (#30567125)
> I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war).

So what about Syria? Kurds are another topic you might want to look into (both inside and outside the Turkey). Azerbaijan-Armenia proxy war? It's not as easy as you think.

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Saturday March 05, 2022 @09:31AM (#30567889)
We don't have war here.

Syria and refugees are part of a bigger plan. It's not like the government suddenly became philantrophic and wanted to help people running from war.

For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together. Again, government's agenda is to divide and conquer so they made Kurds "enemy" to some (gullible) part of the population.

Surely it's not "easy" though my point stands: when you control mainstream media you can easily manipulate enough people. Current authoratorian government does this in Turkey, and even if there is also many enlightened people, we are just relatively minority.

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by treis on Saturday March 05, 2022 @10:23AM (#30568305)
>For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together

Which decades were those?

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Saturday March 05, 2022 @12:50PM (#30569872)
Ever since Turkey existed.

Sure there are sometimes conflicts but most of them are government propaganda trying to divide otherwise perfectly happy people.

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by sudosysgen on Saturday March 05, 2022 @09:52AM (#30568034)
Your country is at war with Syria. So yes, you do live in war. It's not so noticeable however, I agree.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Saturday March 05, 2022 @12:47PM (#30569831)
I was implying that there is no war where I live, to contrast with the situation in Ukraine.

It's not even comparable to what's happening in Ukraine.

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by sudosysgen on Saturday March 05, 2022 @01:16PM (#30570173)
I believe the comparison was between Turkey and Russia, not Turkey and Ukraine.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:12PM (#30570828)
The comparison was indeed about propaganda of Russian and Turkish authorities. Then my reply was to the comment about the cities being in war, which implies Ukraine (as being actively physically bombarded), where I explained that where I live has nothing to do with war as in guns and explosions.

"Living in war", at least for me, implies being physically present in an active war zone that has been bombarded with military and explosions, not some conflict at the other end of the country which is mainly affecting another country.

(Just for clarity: I personally do NOT support war in any way, either the one affecting Ukraine nor Syria, regardless of the initiator)

Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by sudosysgen on Saturday March 05, 2022 @07:37PM (#30573647)
Ah, in that case I think we agree mostly. However I'd say that paying taxes that go towards armed conflict we are, to some degree, doing war.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by can16358p on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:58AM (#30576359)
Yeah, I'm trying to (legally) evade as much as possible. I'd never do it in a proper country as the government would actually care about citizens, but in my case, I know where money goes on taxes which makes me very uncomfortable.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by sudosysgen on Sunday March 06, 2022 @11:56AM (#30578887)
Thank you.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by SyzygistSix on Saturday March 05, 2022 @07:24AM (#30566902)
The absence of all the former sources of non-state media should be an obvious sign to anyone with any sense at all that state media is lying.
Re:Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks by blackhaz on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:19AM (#30566463)
Yandex is part of the state media. It should be sanctioned and sunk.