Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter
by bsk26 on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:25PM
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Doubt any prius does 500-600 range. Mine says about 450 and I drive like a grandma. Great car but I wish I'd just bought a full EV
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter
by throwaway_4ever on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:25PM
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Fuelly users report an avg of 45mpg for 3rd gen (2010-2015) Prius at 11.9 gallons fuel. That's 535 miles. 4th gen (2016-present) is 51mpg at 11.3 gallons, 576 miles.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter
by superkuh on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:28AM
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The hybrids aren't going to be much help when the internal combustion bans come in in approximately 2030-2035 for a large fraction of developed countries. People talk about pure EVs because legislation is demanding pure EVs.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter
by teeray on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:22AM
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Exactly, the regulation is needlessly extremist. Hybrids offer the advantages of both types of vehicles. We could make meaningful progress towards carbon reduction with vehicles that are more inclusive of the needs of people in many climates. Instead, the regulation demands perfection and limits us to vehicles that are practical only in southern California.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter
by nradov on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:44AM
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Most people expect that internal combustion ban to be delayed, or expanded to allow hybrid vehicles. It just isn't practical to shift the manufacturing base and transportation infrastructure to electric in such a short time. There will be too much political pushback.
Every thread about EVs is just like the ~discourse~ about LED traffic lights. [1]
"We must stop making pure ICE cars"
"But pure EVs aren't ready"
"But we must stop making pure ICE cars!"
"But pure EVs aren't ready!"
Back and forth for _literally 20 years_ in which this little-known Japanese company, Toyota, has been producing an insanely popular line of hybrid sedans called "Prius". [2] I live in a small town and I can't really drive anywhere without seeing at least one Prius. They are everywhere. The used ones are not super-expensive, either, especially compared to a pure EV that needs a bigger battery.
Hybrids have been viable for _twenty years_ and people are still debating ICE vs. EV.
Plug-in hybrids are now becoming more common, and even big pickup trucks are talking about mild hybridization. And a Prius can go 500 or 600 miles on a tank and then just refuel. A pure EV means no spontaneous road trips. Not a problem with any hybrid.
Pure ICE should be out of the picture for 50% of drivers, but we are still using pure EVs as a weak man [3] to pretend that ICE cars are still viable in the post-Prius-plugin era.
It makes me a little mad.
[1] Technology Connections made a video on this ~discourse~ and how dumb it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYO1TObNz8
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius
[3] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweap... Like the Nissan Leaf. Short range, cheap, bad in winter. No excuse to not talk about Priuses.