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Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by frostwarrior on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:24AM (#30554347)
> As an aside, capitalism does not make a statement what you should or should not be respected for. We are arguing about something else.

Yeah, but some people think that socialist countries are unfair only because they are socialist. They believe that turning those countries into liberal democracies will make those countries more fair.

And Russia is the perfect example of why that doesn't happen.

Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by throwaway290 on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:36AM (#30554505)
I believe there is no example of a socialist country that is not also a de-facto dictatorship, and I believe if there is a rule by a minority with no democratic election process then it is indeed unfair.
Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by orwin on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:18AM (#30555984)
The nordic countries are though? I'd say i would consider any country were the state expenditure account for more than 50% of GDP socialist. And any company where the workers own more than 50% of the share communist (those exist). Unless we have different definition?

Edit: I'm not opposing socialism to capitalism though. For me capitalism is that the capital own the means of production, aka: more than 50% of the shares belong to investors, not workers.

Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by throwaway290 on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:33PM (#30558551)
Yes, we have different definitions. I meant capitalism in the most layperson's definition: a system where you sell something and I buy something from you, then you take that money and go to the milkman and buy yourself cheese. As opposed to a system where people work for some fixed minority, and then that fixed minority distributes the outcome across everybody. (Of course, keeping the bigger chunk to itself.)
Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by frostwarrior on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:53AM (#30556426)
Of course. Thing is, considering all socialist countries that transitioned to democracy, how many of them became fairer and with less corruption?
Re:Putin’s last stand How to lose a war simply by starting one by throwaway290 on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:30PM (#30558503)
idk… the entirety of ex-USSR except one or two countries?