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Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by throwaway9278 on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:48AM (#30552238)
Are you so sure you're not yourself trapped in an irrational thinking loop?

Global warming is not a civilization-ending threat. Even nuclear war is not a civilization-ending threat, outside a few places in the Northern hemisphere. I could be wrong about both of these claims. But you could be as well, and you're taking an extremely pessimistic view based on what you know, which is not the whole picture.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by jnxx on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:25PM (#30557609)
We have quite some understanding that a mayor nuclear war will cause nuclear winter, by generating huge amounts of smoke at high altitudes which will block the sunlight.

We also know that it causes an extinction event, since it was one of the effects of the K-t extinction event 60 million years ago. It is the one that killed the dinosaurs, and many more: A huge number of species, including almost any large land animals, dies. It is unlikely that homo sapiens would survive this time.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by sabas123 on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:08AM (#30552356)
How are these things not a civilization ending threat? Nukes can literally kill everything and global warming, if unchecked, will probably do the same long term.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by ed_balls on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:04AM (#30552699)
Even if all nukes would go off (spread evenly) they would not kill everybody.

The worst case scenario of global worming would not kill everybody. People living north of 40o will survive.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by Zoadian on Friday March 04, 2022 @10:09AM (#30555869)
it's not the nukes itself that would kill. it's the nuklear winter. with highly reduced sunlight this planet will become a freezing hell. no plants -> no food
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by hollerith on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:32PM (#30557698)
The nuclear winter calculations by Sagan et al noticed that some fuels create more problematic smoke than other fuels. A lot of trees and wood structures would be ignited in a nuclear war, but the smoke from those fires falls out of the atmosphere relatively quickly compared to smoke from burning oil tanks, which Sagan et al said would contribute most of the cooling effect.

Then Saddam lit thousands of oil wells on fire as a big fuck-you to the miltary coalition arrayed against him, more oil than would be set on fire by any nuclear war. The cooling effect was detectable, but hardly serious.

Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by mdoms on Friday March 04, 2022 @05:57AM (#30553079)
In what realistic scenario would all nukes go off "spread evenly"?
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'... by ed_balls on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:02AM (#30553525)
There isn't one. Maximal theoretical damage (not practical) would not end civilisation.