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Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by rectang on Thursday March 03, 2022 @09:53PM (#30550075)
Unfortunately, it seems that Putin is fairly popular in Russia.

Anecdotally, there's been an HN commenter around who claims to be Russian and who buys Putin's line that something had to be done about NATO. Apparently they are not alone:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/europe/russia-reaction-war-uk...

> But Arina's mother sees it completely differently: "My mom believes everything she sees on TV," Arina says.

> "She believes that it was a necessary measure by Putin because there are weapons surrounding the country...there's a threat from the West, which is why Putin is doing this."

Sanctions may be indiscriminate, but not as indiscriminate nor as final as shelling apartment buildings. There seems to be a significant slice of the Russian population who are entirely too content with the current state of affairs, and who need to be woken up to the ungodly horror being unleashed in their name.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by friedturkey on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:17PM (#30550258)
So long as the people with guns have their bellies full, not much will happen in Russia. Just like as much as the world wants North Korea to change and become more free, most of the people enforcing the law can’t imagine living any other way and they’re happy to maintain the status quo.

Maybe a rapid decline in quality of life will be enough to turn things around in Russia. Or maybe just enough people are so used to struggles there that nothing will change. North Koreans went through decades of wars and invasions—the people there haven’t known that life can be better, so they don’t feel a reason to revolt. People in Russia who were alive during pre-Putin era struggles most likely do really see him as lifting the country to a higher level. The possibility for Russia becoming a new NK-style state isn’t completely impossible.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by snek_case on Thursday March 03, 2022 @11:51PM (#30550828)
The USSR collapsed over 30 years ago. There's a lot of people who were born after that, or who saw their quality of life improve after it happened. I bet you not many of them want to go back to those days.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by Animats on Friday March 04, 2022 @12:17AM (#30550959)
The death rate in Russia went way up after the fall of the USSR.[1] Democracy and a free market did not deliver a better life for the average Russian. It's important to understand this, because it's part of why Russia ended up with an autocrat.

[1] https://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/life-expectan...

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by dash2 on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:36AM (#30552532)
That death rate is IIRC mostly caused by increased alcoholism, so it may have more specific causes than just “democracy and the free market”.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by giantg2 on Friday March 04, 2022 @11:10AM (#30556661)
Wouldn't despair about their predicament or future lead to alcoholism? Something that could be related to regime change.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by kwhitefoot on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:40AM (#30554557)
Could you be more specific?
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by dash2 on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:05PM (#30558168)
This article is a response to a critique, by the original authors. It should have cites to the debate: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09668136.2012.6...
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by enaaem on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:15AM (#30555016)
Note that the Russian economy was still organised around a Sovjet planned economy. Just because you change the legal system doesn’t mean you have fixed the economy instantly. For example there were still monotowns, where the whole town was centred around a single factory. These towns are extremely fragile in a market economy.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by brabel on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:11AM (#30551994)
> who saw their quality of life improve after it happened.

The end of the USSR is widely considered a humanitarian catastrophe because after the economy colapsed, people had no food, no medicines, no order, it was a wild west for several years (my wife was there, she tells me all about it)... where the hell did you "learn" that people's lives improved after the USSR fell??

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by watwut on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:07AM (#30552352)
It really depends where exactly you were. And quite a lot of people did in fact seen their lives being improved in the long term.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by twh270 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:20PM (#30550290)
Access to many viewpoints and sources of information does not mean much, as we see here in the U.S. The idea that we just need to shower Russia with the "right" information to get them to turn against Putin is simply a fantasy. However, it's still worth doing as it will help some.
Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by rectang on Thursday March 03, 2022 @10:48PM (#30550483)
I don't expect plain rhetoric to change the minds of Putin supporters.

Unfortunately, we have to resort to economic pain, which is quite grim even if it's not having your leg blown off and your home reduced to rubble: businesses ruined, working class populations impoverished, massive uncertainty...

It's also not guaranteed to work, as aggressors and oppressors are adept at wallowing in self-pity and inventing victimization narratives.

What's changed for me is that I've come to believe that the Russian population is a bit more at fault here for buying Putin's bullshit.

Re:How the weak can win – A primer on protracted war by vixen99 on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:20AM (#30553246)
Whatever the truth of that ('she believes it was a necessary measure ...'), as someone remarked "Putin has done more for European Defence in three days than anyone's done in 30 years". The reaction of the European countries has been astounding.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/03/putin-will-live-...

Sadly paywalled.