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Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by micromacrofoot on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:22PM (#30546421)
When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship.

Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by dev_by_day on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:29PM (#30546514)
> The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

And that story was banned on social media unfairly(this banning was cheered on by Dems and left leaning folks), even though it turned it to be credible later.

It was egregious censorship is the main point I am making here.

As bad as Putin? No. Was it bad? Yes.

Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by micromacrofoot on Thursday March 03, 2022 @06:17PM (#30548406)
it’s not just “not as bad” it’s categorically a different thing
Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by micromacrofoot on Thursday March 03, 2022 @06:25PM (#30548493)
they’re easy categories: government enforced censorship (ie lose your freedom for disobeying) vs private businesses’ editorial discretion (ie just get your news from another company)
Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by hunterb123 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @06:32PM (#30548553)
Just because you outsource censorship to tech companies to get around the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship.

The "muh private companies" argument ended long ago when government officials started using it as their main platform and we applied archive rules and prevented Trump from blocking people: https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twit...

You can't have it both ways. Let's investigate why they all decided at once to block it right before the election. Are they coordinating? Let's find out. Seems like an anti-trust issue.

Point is, it's censorship, no matter how much people try to weasel out of it.

Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by micromacrofoot on Thursday March 03, 2022 @07:49PM (#30549109)
Go get the laws changed then, not sure what to tell you if you don’t agree that there are significant differences between the state and private business - free speech as defined by our constitution is rather specific. Complaining about it on the internet won’t change that.
Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by hunterb123 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @07:52PM (#30549132)
We're talking about ideals not legality, what is and isn't censorship.

It's legal in Russia to do what Putin is doing, that doesn't make it not censorship.

But yes, we're working on it, it starts with public discussion and communicating with our representatives, which I and others do.

Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by hunterb123 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:29PM (#30546522)
The censorship was Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube blocking it all at once before the election. The media helped by downplaying it and going with the Russian disinformation/hack lie.

Playing semantics over whether omission of truth is bias vs. censorship doesn't make a strong argument.

Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by micromacrofoot on Thursday March 03, 2022 @08:24PM (#30549414)
It's not semantics, it's constitutional law. Literally the founding principles of the country.
Re:Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 ye... by hunterb123 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @08:30PM (#30549456)
You're mixing up the concept of censorship with the 1A.

The 1A guarantees the right that our government won't censor us.

It only pertains to the government, not these two instances involving social media behemoths and Russia.

Just because something doesn't violate the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship.

Are you saying Putin isn't censoring information since it's legal for him to do so in Russia?