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Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by version_five on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:49PM (#30545020)
Agreed - I can't believe how quickly the "mainstream" had adopted a hatred basically of a whole people based on the actions of an autocratic leader that does not represent them, and where speaking out would almost certainly have very bad consequences. We should be doing everything we can to stop Putin from waging war, but casual hatred of a group is not helpful or appropriate, even if it's the obvious extension of all the online mob behavior we've seen in recent years.
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by pastor_bob on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:05PM (#30546114)
This grandmaster's twitter is much more representative as to what the typical Russian citizen thinks about the conflict:

https://twitter.com/SergeyKaryakin

Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by ProAm on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:56PM (#30545127)
I do not believe this can be classified as hatred.
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by mynameishere on Thursday March 03, 2022 @03:01PM (#30546053)
That is true. Hatred by itself is inactive.
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by tsol on Thursday March 03, 2022 @09:17PM (#30549814)
As a Muslim.. I can lmao
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by pbourke on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:58PM (#30545163)
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. What you say is correct and ethical, in my view. Putin and the Russian government are to blame, not random Russian citizens.
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by Miner49er on Thursday March 03, 2022 @02:06PM (#30545281)
I believe the goal of sanctions like this is to make the people mad at their leaders. So you sanction Russian citizens in the hope it'll help motivate them to create change. Not sure it could work with Russia, but maybe?
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by veganhouseDJ on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:16AM (#30552412)
I don't understand how anyone thinks this can work when the one opposition leader has been poisoned and put in jail.
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by altcognito on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:51PM (#30545046)
“Do everything we can, but not this, this is too harsh.”
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by pbourke on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:59PM (#30545176)
Can you not see how this statement must be true at some point?
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by jjgreen on Thursday March 03, 2022 @02:00PM (#30545192)
> an autocratic leader that does not represent them

They did elect him (with 76.69% of the vote).

Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by roveo on Thursday March 03, 2022 @04:39PM (#30547396)
This is incorrect. Electoral rating of Putin (as of 2021) is around 30%. The central election committee will just declare the results that Putin wants.

People in the West who live in (relatively) democratic countries just go around saying "Russians elected him" without actually understanding what living under an autocratic rule is like. Putin never won a free and fair election. He persecuted his opponents, denied them access to media (and as of today, there's no independent media left) installed dummy ones that play into his hand and falsified the elections.

It's like seeing hunger in a 3rd world country and saying "why don't they just learn how to program and get an actual job?"

Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by jjgreen on Thursday March 03, 2022 @06:34PM (#30548568)
The electoral rating of someone outside an election is hardly relevant, it only matters on election day. On that day (in 2018) the result was (according to [1]), 77% (56M) in favour of Putin. The second candidate got 11.9% (8.6M). No doubt this guy is a narcissistic deranged dwarf, but are you suggesting he faked 48M votes?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Russian_presidential_elec...

Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by lupire on Thursday March 03, 2022 @07:26PM (#30548958)
Why do you think he didn't fake 48M votes?
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by jjgreen on Thursday March 03, 2022 @07:39PM (#30549048)
That would be an astonishing feat, just logistically. Do you have evidence of fraud on that scale?
Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by roveo on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:49AM (#30551471)
Ummm, yes. There’s Shpilkin’s famous research (dont know if available in English) suggesting that about 30% of latest Duma election ballots were fake.

And what people also don’t understand is that they falsify on all levels. First, they persecute their opponents and deny them access to media. If they think an opponent has a chance and isn’t sufficiently toothless, they just don’t register them. Then they cast fake ballots during actual voting. There are reports of fraud during counting: police is known to remove independent observers from the room. If the results at this point are not satisfactory enough, they rewrite the numbers in counting protocols. And even if that’s not sufficient (like in Lukashenko’s case), they can just declare any result they want and beat/jail anyone who disagrees.

I think western commentators on Russian elections/popular opinions just can’t wrap their heads around how corrupt the system is.

Most people in Russia aren’t pro-Putin. They’re indifferent, don’t think about these things much and mind their own business.

Re:Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk by cutemonster on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:33AM (#30552512)
This is also a failure of the news media, to not more clearly explain to people what Putin is doing and that the election results he declares, is a joke.

End result, some people here for real believing that the people in Russia supports Putin.

It's depressing that the newspapers let themselves be used by him as a tool for manipulation

It's also annoying, I think, that the newspapers keep calling him the "president".