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Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by UncleMeat on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @07:32PM (#30535512)
You can just fire people. If I had a report that was not meeting expectations I sure as hell wouldn't make "deny their remote work application, hope they are dissatisfied with the office, and wait for them to quit" be my plan.
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by berg117 on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @07:52PM (#30535673)
In big tech companies, who gets fired has very low correlation to performance. Instead, it usually comes down to:

(1) people who make their bosses look bad are first to go.

(2) next are people who are perceived to cost their bosses time, regardless of whether it's their fault.

(3) after that, it's usually the infanticide cases: i.e., the people who did nothing wrong but haven't been there long enough to establish themselves.

The infanticide is especially ugly, because (a) it means the company is firing people basically at random, and (b) it rapes the shit out of the resumes of the people affected, because they now have <1 year jobs to explain. The reason it happens is that, empirically, most of the people cut in mass stack-rank purges are new members of underperforming teams... who, by inspection, have had the least to do with the team's underperformance.

Underperformance does get people fired, but rarely. It's at least as likely to get someone promoted, because underperformers usually have a career's worth of experience of being shitty, and therefore have developed such political skills they can easily fail up every time.

Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by lodovic on Thursday March 03, 2022 @05:40AM (#30539385)
Exactly my experience as well
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by _j5l3 on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @07:52PM (#30535674)
> You can just fire people.

Not at Google, you can't. Firing someone who's performing abysmally still takes up to 6 months, between all the process and PIPs and paperwork and shit.

Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by UncleMeat on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @07:55PM (#30535699)
Sure, but that is way faster than "wait for them to quit."
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by berg117 on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @07:55PM (#30535694)
Google's preferred method to "fire" a lousy programmer is to make him a PM.
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by UncleMeat on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @08:20PM (#30535898)
In my experience, SWE -> PM ladder transfers are very unusual.
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by berg117 on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @08:24PM (#30535928)
I'm sure they are. Most SWEs hired at Google are pretty good at programming and don't need to be tucked away in PM.
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by dvirsky on Thursday March 03, 2022 @01:54AM (#30537968)
Xoogler here, from what I've seen, SWEs converting to PMs did it because it was what they were interested in it, unrelated to their skill, and it's not trivial at all. IIRC (never done it myself but seen a couple of people who did) there is a trial period and if you don't perform well enough as a PM you either go back to being a SWE or need to resign.
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by berg117 on Thursday March 03, 2022 @08:02AM (#30540366)
PM is a negative contribution role, so what does "performance" even mean? Getting programmers to accept Jirafication?
Re:Google mandates workers back to Silicon Valley, other off... by dvirsky on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:40PM (#30544069)
I guess you're just trolling, so have a nice life.