Are you saying there’s a setting somewhere where I can choose between spying by China and spying by Big Tech?

Cool, please point me to it.

If not, your comment makes no sense.

BTW, if such a setting were available, I’d choose spying by Big Tech any day over spying by CCP/China.

Else, I want neither.

I am saying people make that choice when they choose which device manufacturer they go with (for example buying a Google phone vs a Huawei phone).

I disagree with you but I don't think the downvotes you're getting are justified. If you really do prefer Chinese spying, why so?

I have no connection whatsoever with China, my data is pretty much useless to them. Big Tech companies can use my data in all sorts of ways to fuck me over. It really is a no brainer to me.

Are you kidding me? One is a nuclear nation state currently committing genocide with a long history of "disappearing" wrong-thinkers. The other sells ads based on your online behavior. Seriously, what motivates your claim?

HN has long been infiltrated by CCP-backed commenters, and they come out in force for the expected title keywords.

I don't live in China. The Chinese are many miles away. I am not worth nuking, and I am not at risk of being involved in a genocide.

I live in a surveillance state. I don't really like being surveilled. Big companies share data between each other, and it influences my ability to do things like obtaining a house, or getting insurance.

The Chinese have nothing to do with my data. Western companies, on the other hand, can make a good deal of profit from data in aggregate, and don't care if it harms other people.

The Chinese stick to their own people (and what they believe to be China). Western companies, on the other hand, will track everyone on the globe, without any consent at all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_AI

I don't use Chinese software; it's just that the person's claim isn't nearly as insane as you're making it out to be. They're acting more rationally than you are, here. It's not Chinese scaremongering or anti-anti-Chinese scaremongering to acknowledge that China can't really do much to the average Western citizen in aggregate.

Short term thinking at its worse. China isn't going to stop at its borders. Their tech companies not only answer to their government, they are just as greedy western big tech, if not more. Your info is going to be sold to the highest bidder, plus shared with the Chinese government.

"You're thinking short-term and you're bad for it. Here's a bunch of unfounded speculation, and I'm going to throw in "plus shared with the government," despite your information already being shared with the United States government, which isn't at risk of collapsing any time soon, and will never be part of China, nullifying the risk of your data being taken by the Chinese government."

That's not the point I was making.

Why do you think the Chinese tech companies are any better than western ones with your data? They have the same pressures of producing profit.

The CCP has long been building a database on people in all countries of strategic interest (U.S., UK, Austrlia, India, etc etc). And not just the prominent people. All the people. [1][2][3][4][5]

But hey, tell us again how China is only interested in the Chinese.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-a-...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/china-spent-years-coll...

[3] https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg89aj/china-has-been-doing-...

[4] https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94493-china-has-st...

[5] https://www.npr.org/2021/02/24/969532277/china-wants-your-da...

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> HN has long been infiltrated by CCP-backed commenters

I suspect this is true to some degree but I also think there is no shortage of Chinese nationalists and anti-Americans (including Americans) who by default, upvote anything that has a pro-China agenda and downvote anything that has anti-China agenda.

People do not possess ideas, ideas possess people. There is no escaping the memeplexes driving these and our posts.

> anti-Americans (including Americans)

Alas, tankies and campies exist.

Where is there genocide? Have you ever been to China, or do you just watch the propaganda of the media hostile to China?

Currently, Xinjiang. Past, Tibet.

> Have you ever been to China, or do you just watch the propaganda of the media hostile to China?

Have you ever been outside of China, or do you just watch media censored and approved by CCP?