Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It Should Be Fixed

Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by belter on Sunday February 27, 2022 @03:27PM (#30492163)

The UN is not a world police. It exists so that Nations have a formal forum. And the reason why some have a veto, is so that when a resolution gets approved, you can really be sure it will be applied by all parties.

It's an error to see it as some kind of court where you are able to enforce your decisions.Maybe it can become that in the future, but for sure the US will be the first country to opt out ;-) Instead, is a venue for formal diplomatic communication.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by vba616 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @06:42PM (#30494092)

Yeah, so why isn't India a permanent member? They're much larger, second only to China, and have nukes.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by belter on Monday February 28, 2022 @08:36AM (#30499632)

At the time of formation of the United Nations India was not an independent country. The acceptance of India as a permanent member has been raised on and off by several countries always with sympathetic tones. It's an historical accident.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by fulvioterzapi on Sunday February 27, 2022 @07:02PM (#30494286)

Permanent members are not determined looking at who's bigger, or who has nukes.

Permanent members are the five biggest winners of WW2.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by vba616 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @07:27PM (#30494521)

Your theory differs from the GP so better to address them than me.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by fulvioterzapi on Sunday February 27, 2022 @08:19PM (#30494959)

It's not a theory, it's a well established fact that you can easily find on Wikipedia:

"The permanent members were all allies in World War II (and the victors of that war)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_Unite...

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by vba616 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @10:18PM (#30495972)

Please stop telling me why belter's premise is wrong.

You can't debate me about a premise introduced by another person.

You have to resolve the issue with them.

I already made a comment that is based a premise (dudul's) that seems similar to yours, instead of belter's. Here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30494411

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by vba616 on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:08AM (#30497182)

Again, when I respond to someone, in the context of their premises, I am not adopting those premises and I don't have to defend them to anyone.

Go back and argue with the person who actually introduced what you want to dispute.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by xiphias2 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @03:47PM (#30492337)

As a Hungarian I see that all tiny symbolic international gestures against my official president (Viktor Orban, a soft dictator for the last 12 years, who just visited Putin a few weeks ago) helps us to finally increase the chances of unseating him.

At the same time Putin still has nuclear weapons, so the risks of kicking him out of international organizations is much higher.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by spacemanmatt on Sunday February 27, 2022 @03:51PM (#30492386)

By that standard, aren't you saying North Korea should be admitted to the UN?

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by pmyteh on Sunday February 27, 2022 @05:27PM (#30493367)

It has been. The standard of admission is generally 'internationally recognised state', not 'good government'.

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by belter on Sunday February 27, 2022 @03:54PM (#30492407)

Even him turned on Putin:

"Hungary Won't Block Any Sanctions Against Russia, PM Orban Says" https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-02-26/hungar...

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Re:Russia Has Illegally Gained UN Security Council Seat. It ... by xiphias2 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @04:56PM (#30493024)

It's not the first time he changed his mind in a day. Luckily he understands that we need NATO support or Russia would take over Hungary easily.

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