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Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by hef19898 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @01:12AM (#30485852)
And China has a solar manifacturing base because Germany subsidized PV heavily. Local manufacturers didn't care that much about prizes, due to subsidies, Chinese manufacturers saw a market. Supported by the Chibese government, they did build the manufacturing base. And squezzed German manufacturers out of it. The market, for quite a while, still was Germany and Spain. The latter changed.

So the initial boost came from Germany (and a green-social-democrat goverment), that enabled the mainly Chinese manufacturers to continue the constant cost reductions ever since.

Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by sdoering on Sunday February 27, 2022 @04:29AM (#30486701)
And the moment China had the manufacturing base the German government decided to massively reduce the subsidiaries for solar. More or less killing the German solar industry.

One could argue that that is what the market should do with non competitive players.

But on the other hand more jobs were lost in solar than are now being saved in coal with massive subsidiaries (on the scale of 80k € per job in the coal industry towards the companies in that market if I remember correctly).

While I as a consumer have to pay around 1/3 of my gas price as 'tax' for the development of eco friendly tech.

Were the solar subsidiaries still in place when we bought and remodeled our home we would have gone more solar than just a little bit for hot water. It just didn't calculate for a two person home on the timescale of 30 years. And solar panels back then had an estimated lifespan of 15 to 25 years.

But that is just anecdata

Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by hef19898 on Sunday February 27, 2022 @05:43AM (#30487070)
Yep, they did kill the German solar indusyry that way. Not that German solar companies were, after years if not decades of competition free existence, realy competetive.
Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by KarlKemp on Sunday February 27, 2022 @04:27AM (#30486696)
German subsidies were paid on installation, meaning that Chinese producers were beneficiaries of the policy as much as domestic EU producers were.
Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by mushbino on Sunday February 27, 2022 @02:35AM (#30486204)
What percentage of power in Germany comes from solar?
Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by Archelaos on Sunday February 27, 2022 @04:25AM (#30486682)
For power production the share of solar enery was 8.8 % in 2021.

For primary energy consumption the share of solar enery was 1.7 % in 2021.

Source: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...

Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by pfdietz on Sunday February 27, 2022 @07:10AM (#30487608)
You have to be careful comparing primary energy to PV output.

Primary energy is thermal energy before conversion to work. PV's output has already been converted to electrical energy. One kWh of PV output displaces several kWh of primary thermal energy.

Re:Why did renewables become so cheap so fast? (2020) by patall on Sunday February 27, 2022 @02:48AM (#30486269)