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Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by mkr-hn on Friday February 25, 2022 @05:16PM (#30473015)
While interesting, I'm skeptical an algorithmic approach will ever come close to a decent wavetable-based synth (using samples/noises from the real instrument) or scripted sampler instrument (like Kontakt). It might help if you can't otherwise find an existing synth/sample-based instrument but can find it in use, but those are few and far between.
Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by uoaei on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:29PM (#30473656)
"ever"?

I am not usually on the techno-optimist side of things but I have a hard time believing, after observing the progress of SOTA in the past decade on the big problems explored by ML research, that we are more than 5-10 years out from exceptional generative samplers based on tiny snippets of audio.

Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by graphpercolator on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:48PM (#30473832)
I don't think this is even the problem though. We have amazing physical modeling synths but the problem is it is not "playable" with a keyboard in the sense of being able to control all the needed variables.

You basically need a breathe controller to make a realistic playable sax sound otherwise you can't control the variables in real time that are needed.

Personally, I want to hear synth sounds that are not even trying to be reproductions of acoustic instruments. If I want to hear a sax sound I want to hear someone who is really good on a real sax and who knows how to actually play a sax.

Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by uoaei on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:58PM (#30473897)
You may be interested in stuff like this:

https://nsynthsuper.withgoogle.com/

Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by mkr-hn on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:37PM (#30473731)
I don't know what SOTA is. Are we still on-topic here? The context is realistic instruments. Synths can already produce timbres pre-electronic instrument designers could only dream of.
Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by uoaei on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:59PM (#30473906)
That's true but those still need to be hand-designed. The point of the ML-based approaches is to make it easier for users to explore the space of sounds, rather than setting up a pre-defined API (knobs, switches, etc.) for modifying the sounds manually.
Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by uoaei on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:56PM (#30473884)
"State Of The Art"
Re:Show HN: Cloning a musical instrument from 16 seconds of ... by olau on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:05AM (#30476237)
I have so far not heard a convincing piano synthesizer, i.e. one that would fool a pianist.

Pianos are actually really easy, input-wise. You have attack speed, when you lift the keys and pedals, and that's it. But simulating the audio computations done by a physical instrument is just really difficult.

There are some physically-based (spherical cow physical) synths that sound more alive than the usual sample-based stuff, but their timbre is not right.

If I had more time, this is what I'd be working on right now. There's a market for a great piano synthesizer.