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Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by JohnBooty on Thursday February 24, 2022 @03:48PM (#30460074)
If you're American, try to imagine America partially breaking up and Washington, Oregon, and Idaho have joined an alliance helmed by China.

You're not loving it, you want to make some sharp moves to prevent more states from considering it, and you'd like to get those states back somehow in the long run.

This is a wildly imperfect analogy, but...

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by mopsi on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:44AM (#30464639)
If you're American, try to imagine what other states must've done in order to get Washington, Orgon and Idaho to seek protection from China: wars, massacres, genocide.

Can you imagine resettling the whole Mormon population of Idaho to the furthest corners of Alaska? A knock on the door awakens you. You're given half an hour to pack a single suitcase, and then your whole family is pushed into a cattle wagon going to Alaska. No food beyond a slice of bread per day, no other supplies while traveling there over three weeks. If babies die, their bodies are just thrown overboard by soldiers. When you arrive, you're assigned a mine to work in for free as slave labor and a dirt mound to sleep in.

That's what took in Eastern Europe to seek isolation from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Sov...

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by tremon on Thursday February 24, 2022 @08:15PM (#30462601)
You mean an alliance helmed by Canada? Ukraine is not allying themselves with a superpower on the other side of the globe, but their western neighbours.
Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by saalweachter on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:52PM (#30463831)
I feel like "... and thirty years later ..." needs to be in there somewhere, also.

If the Pacific Northwest broke off tomorrow and tried to join Canada, I may still be opposed to war simply out of pacifism, but I wouldn't be terribly shocked if we had a Civil War II over the issue.

If the Pacific Northwest broke off tomorrow, the largest remaining Federal-ish government in the formerly United States recognized it as an independent country, and then thirty years from now it was contemplating an alliance with Canada...

Re:Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces by JohnBooty on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:52PM (#30463834)
I said it was a flawed analogy. =)

However, in this admittedly flawed analogy, I thought it was pretty clear that Washington, Oregon, and Idaho were meant to be analogous to the multiple NATO countries already sharing borders with Russia.

Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a dastardly war crime, but it didn't happen in a vacuum either. Was attempting to explain the (shitty) reasoning behind Putin's actions.