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Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by sevenf0ur on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:09PM (#30457301)
Liberal policies is why Los Angles has been dealing with a homeless crisis for so long. Spending $837,000 to build a single studio to house a single homeless person seems insane to most of the country.
Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by mullingitover on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:32PM (#30457637)
It's nothing to do with liberal policy. It was pure corruption that happened right under the noses of voters. The sales tax ballot measure to fund housing had an innocent-looking line which restricted the contractors eligible for the jobs. The contractors had to have experience building this type of housing.

The problem with this is that there were only two contractors that met the requirement, and as a result they could charge whatever they wanted since it was practically a no-bid contract.

Los Angeles could've spent dramatically less, and housed more people, had they simply purchased housing on the open market with the money. These prices are pure graft.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by quartesixte on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:44PM (#30457768)
God. And it was Democrats who pushed for it too IIRC.

Corruption deep on both sides of the aisle.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by mullingitover on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:55PM (#30458702)
To be fair, the republican party trashed its brand so thoroughly that it essentially doesn't exist in California, so we're under one party rule. There is no other side of the aisle. It's a shame because Schwarzenegger gave the party a winning formula when he was governor, but the party swung so far off the rails that his centrism makes him a bolshevik to the party as it exists now. One party rule isn't good, but we don't have any sane alternatives here.
Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by dragonwriter on Thursday February 24, 2022 @04:27PM (#30460535)
> It's a shame because Schwarzenegger gave the party a winning formula when he was governor

Yes, but “find a political cypher of a celebrity, run in an irregular election leveraging a crisis created by Republican state and federal policies, and appoint an listen to a lot of establishment Dems as advisers while ignoring Republican Party insiders and donors because you don't need them once you have the dual advantages of celebrity and incumbency and don't care about the party as such” isn't really a structurally-repeatable strategy.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by quartesixte on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:44AM (#30475650)
Not just any celebrity—Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Man those were some crazy times.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by spicyusername on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:29PM (#30457594)
> Spending $837,000 to build a single studio to house a single homeless person seems insane

I don't think it was known, in advance, that this would be the resulting cost, assuming that figure is accurate. I don't think any rational person would put forward such a program and that $837,000 to build a single studio house seems insane to everyone, not just non-Californians.

I think the point OP is trying to make is that the skyrocketing cost is partly caused by a certain class of privileged Californian's continuing to fight the effort to build more housing.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by wolverine876 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:41PM (#30457742)
> $837,000

That's not what is happening. Per the article:

14% of the units build exceeded $700,000 each, and one project in pre-development is estimated to cost almost $837,000 per unit.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by dahfizz on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:10PM (#30458870)
This is a meaningless nitpick. Spending "over $700,000" to house an individual is just as insane as spending "up to $837,000". Its embarrassing and ridiculous either way.
Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by wolverine876 on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:25AM (#30464236)
It's not meaningless. 86% cost less than 700K.
Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by wolverine876 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:40PM (#30457727)
> Liberal policies

Do you have any evidence of that?

> Spending $837,000 to build a single studio to house a single homeless person seems insane to most of the country.

That's not what is happening, in any meaningful way.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by ravenstine on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:00PM (#30457994)
> Do you have any evidence of that?

This is a totally valid question. Wouldn't the overwhelming liberal majority rule in California be evidence in and of itself? I guess there could be liberals in name who enact conservative policy (or maybe little policy at all), but I haven't seen evidence of that.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by johndfsgdgdfg on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:44PM (#30458524)
> Wouldn't the overwhelming liberal majority rule in California be evidence in and of itself?

It's a very good point. I find it very disingenuous to claim republicans are at fault in a blue state like Claifornia. The null hypothesis should be democrats are responsible for the state (good or bad) of California. Anyone, who claims otherwise, should provide evidences for their claim.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by wolverine876 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:22PM (#30458258)
> Wouldn't the overwhelming liberal majority rule in California be evidence in and of itself? I guess there could be liberals in name who enact conservative policy (or maybe little policy at all), but I haven't seen evidence of that.

Good points.

First, what do the outcomes depend on? Policies of California state and local government are only limited factors. They do not create the economy, migration, weather, real estate development, etc. etc. (though they some limited effect on all of them). There are many other powers in the world. The government's power to control events is pretty limited.

Second, do we see any correlation between California government and these outcomes? Homelessness has existed worldwide probably for all time. A fundamental question is, with what is increased homelessness correlated?

Third, we don't know what the outcomes would be without the policy or with other policies. Negative outcomes don't indicate bad decisions - things could be worse. If you are dying of terminal disease, you don't assume the doctor's decisions are the cause, and therefore we'd be better off without healthcare. We are dealing with a difficult problem.

Finally, not all decisions and policies are partisan; people and publics are not politically consistent anwyay, and make policies for all sorts of reasons. And California has had Republican government on and off for a long time, and anything effects of government policy you see now are the outcome of decades of governance.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by muaytimbo on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:51PM (#30458629)
I think these are good questions.

You can find a nice graphic of homelessness by state here: https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1300&fn[]=2...

States like CA and NY seem to have the most growth in homeless population. That might be considered supporting evidence.

"They do not create the economy, migration, weather, real estate development, etc. etc. (though they some limited effect on all of them). There are many other powers in the world. The government's power to control events is pretty limited." I disagree with this statement, look at all the shutdowns as of late. The government seems to have almost unlimited power which court systems are unwilling to check, they can literally shut entire sectors of the economy down and stop home showings, in direct contradiction to your statement. In normal times they hold enormous influence over these sectors with licensing requirements, regulatory schemes, and political corruption. The result is migration, which also as of late has resulted in net outflows in CA, NY, and IL.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by wolverine876 on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:27AM (#30464248)
Government power to control Coronavirus is definitely limited, as the outcomes show.

> The result is migration, which also as of late has resulted in net outflows in CA, NY, and IL.

Those outflows began decades before Coronoavirus.

Re:Los Angeles is spending up to $837k to house a single hom... by Day1 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:24PM (#30457515)
It seems insane because it is insane. Unfortunately, we already started down this path long ago and it will only get worse until catastrophe. I.e China takes over.