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Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by leto_ii on Thursday February 24, 2022 @10:44AM (#30455984)
I just don't think that Putin in 2022 is Hitler in 1939. Russia is a waning power clinging to significance, not an ascending one.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by tremon on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:27AM (#30456610)
Germany in 1939 was also a waning power, following the fall of the Weimar republic and subsequently World War I.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by Sohcahtoa82 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#30456434)
> Russia is a waning power clinging to significance, not an ascending one.

I don't believe this, unless you define "significance" as nothing more than having your name in the world newspapers, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by mythrwy on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:00AM (#30456225)
That might not necessarily be the case.

Look at where they sit strategically. The amount of resources they supply to an increasingly resource hungry world. The amount of math and science talent. The possession of advanced nuclear weaponry.

Look at what they are doing militarily right now and how effectively they are doing it.

They are an extremely significant country. This is true no matter how you feel about their government.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by modriano on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:31AM (#30456657)
Italy's GDP is $1.87T. Russia's GDP is $1.48T, down from around $2.3T in 2013.

Russia's economy is dependent on fossil fuels. While the decrease in Europe's use of nuclear power has been a gift to Russia, the future for fossil fuels is not bright and Russia's kleptocratic government has starved the nation of economic innovation.

I don't know what "extremely significant country" means here, but Russia is objectively a country in decline both in terms of economic and cultural power.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by dwaltrip on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:00PM (#30457985)
In terms of real GDP (PPP), Russia is at $4.3T while Italy is at $2.6T. Russia has the 6th largest GDP by this metric. However, I'm not sure how to think about real GDP vs. nominal GDP when it comes to war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by leto_ii on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:37AM (#30456745)
> amount of resources they supply to an increasingly resource hungry world

But that's the only thing they supply. At least in Europe (I hope) they'll start decoupling from Russian fossil resources asap.

> The amount of math and science talent

Pales in comparison to the US, China or the EU (taken as a block) and possibly even in comparison to the UK or Japan.

> The possession of advanced nuclear weaponry

This insures that MAD still works, but not much more I think.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by treis on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:44PM (#30458530)
>But that's the only thing they supply. At least in Europe (I hope) they'll start decoupling from Russian fossil resources asap.

Which is the last thing anyone should want because it will simply deepen ties between Russia and China.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by ThalesX on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:12AM (#30456402)
The propaganda, both in the west and in the east have made this matter very hard to understand for the average citizen.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by beamatronic on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:39AM (#30456778)
I don't know why they can't just be happy with all those blessings
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by MockObject on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#30456433)
Their economy is a little bit larger than the NY state economy.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by mythrwy on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:25AM (#30456565)
Right. In terms of dollars. But what makes up the respective economies?

Overpriced healthcare, insurance and banking services might not be as valuable as oil, minerals and manufacturing going forward.

I just feel it's a huge conceptual mistake to underestimate the relative weights of forces.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by o4b on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:44AM (#30456891)
Hitler in 1939 had economic/industrial parity with at least one, if not two of his primary combatants (France and UK). He then had good reason to believe that other countries either would not engage (USA) or were highly overrated (USSR). He also had allies of significant weight. (1)

Russia in 2022 has a GDP of $1.5T, and NATO has a combined GDP of $42T (2). Even if you make the case that Russia's current economic activity translates more effectively into wartime industry, I don't believe you can possibly make the case that it is 28x more effective.

Germany also had military technology and strategy advantages (see France in 1940) over its (early war) opponents. As good as Russia's "math and science talent" is, I would be shocked if it was even a quarter of the capability that the US alone has.

So no, Putin in 2022 is not comparable to Hitler in 1939.

(1) - http://www.zuljan.info/articles/0302wwiigdp.html. (2) - https://countryeconomy.com/countries/groups/nato

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by jacquesm on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:53PM (#30457877)
In 1939 there were no atomic weapons.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by NicoJuicy on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:46AM (#30456918)
35% dependant on Europe for energy in GDP.

China is taking Russian engineers and cheap resources. In the meantime, Putin complained that they didn't invest enough back.

Total GDP ain't big either. Military is 6% of their gdp with a lot of older material too ( = maintenance cost)

Very low vaccination rates, means very low trust in the governement.

Russia is doing this because of a weak position. Not from a strong one.

China is giving something to give Russia confidence, but really not much.