Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4

Re:Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4 by dependsontheq on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:11AM (#30453008)

There are no ICBMS in Germany only tactical bombs... these have no military value, there only value is to say that European countries have shared nuclear deterrence.

And Russia is big, they have an immense second strike capability from land and from the sea. Wladiwostok is 8000km away from Kiev.

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Re:Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4 by hamsamrma on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:41AM (#30453204)

I agree with your sentiment, but to say that a weapon capable of creating a Coloseum-sized crater has "no military value" seems a bit off.

On the other hand i cannot think of a critical role played by ICBM's in Central Europe, could your share some insights?

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Re:Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4 by GekkePrutser on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:52AM (#30453278)

It has no military value because it's unthinkable to use them. Unlike strategic weapons of deterrence which are exactly meant to prevent unthinkable scenarios. We have them so the other side won't use theirs.

Tactical weapons are not deterrence but actually meant to be used. Nobody will use a tactical nuke for the can of worms it represents. Whatever target can be found for a tactical weapon, it's not important enough to justify a nuke and basically start WW3.. They're a leftover of 50/60s doctrine.

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Re:Estonia, allies to trigger NATO Article 4 by vetinari on Thursday February 24, 2022 @05:37AM (#30453169)

Strictly speaking, US doesn't need ICBMs in Europe, would be ineffective there... just enough weaponry to prevent Russia to use theirs for retaliation.

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