It's completely irrelevant on who would be the nuclear war. A nuclear war will wipe out an absolutely humongous part of humanity. Even if you survive, you will be doing much much worse as essentially all supply chains will get broken.

Avoiding nuclear war is the top priority.

> Avoiding nuclear war is the top priority.

Problem is, "Avoiding all-out war is the top priority" is exactly what Chamberlain thought in 1938, too. And look what that got him: all-out war.

Yeah, a ground war with aerial bombardment is totally the same as nuclear holocaust.

Great analogy.

You are missing the point which is: your greatest fear will be turned and used against you by your enemy. So the only actual solution is to stand up and confront what you fear. Then you have a fighting chance to avoid that fate.

So call Putin's bluff? He's already made an explicit threat to take things further if anyone gets involved: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/02/24/vladimir-putin-w...

But, fine, let's play this game. The US is sends troops into the Ukraine. You do understand this is right at Russia's border. What does Putin do? He'll engage. Great, now we're in a shooting war with our nuclear rival. Now do you want to roll the dice this doesn't escalate further. Does Putin go after neighboring NATO countries? Now the US has to escalate further to defend an ally. And if the US/NATO pushes into Russia, does Russia go nuclear?

This is why the Cold War stayed COLD. We didn't directly engage Russia on anything close to their borders. Yes, we fought two proxy wars in Asia and just look how that turned out.

Do you really want to roll the dice and hope your neighborhood isn't a parking lot in the next five years?

Not exactly. But I’ll let someone smarter and who thought more about this stuff to propose his ideas: Garry Kasparov

https://twitter.com/kasparov63/status/1496865471995523080?s=...

I prefer outsourcing my opinion on world events to Wordle players who get all green boards. But you do you.

This is literally insane.

We are dealing with "insane" people. If he is willing to use nukes over Ukraine, I can guarantee he does not plan just taking Ukraine. When should we react? Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Austria, Germany?

If you are talking about Putin, then yes. He is literally insane.

He might be insane but his background is FSB so he's still very much in control of his moves as shown within the last decade.

That makes him that much more dangerous and stopping him that much more essential and urgent.

Are you typing this out from a stocked nuclear bunker? Because you have an incredibly blase attitude regarding nuclear war.

He says no. Probably enjoying one last sunset outside before closing the hatch! I can't help but wonder about our h n founders, safe in their bunkers in NZ, reading dog eared copies of The Soveiregn Individual. And then I wonder about all the Ukraine war news stories leading up to this being and flagged and burried here. I hope it's just coincidence. As I have said before, they think they can survive nuclear winter, no problem. But those assumptions are built on test of single small bombs. 10,000 going off at once is an order of magnitude worse, and might easily produce surprising effects. Science is always finding surprises in old experiments when they crank the power way up.

Actually PG and JL live in the U.K. currently.

And I am no HN founder, but I live in Eastern Europe. NATO planes and helicopters kept flying overhead all day and my house doesn’t even have a basement.

So I bet we are closer to the danger than you are. And I also bet that the ones doing the flagging and burying are other brave "class warriors" and "eaters of the rich" who can’t accept that their beloved ideology has created monsters like Putin while the capitalism they despise has given the world prosperity, (relative) peace and Elon Musk (the last one's a mixed blessing, I admit).

No way? I'll have to call in on them for a cup of tea. Are they in London, by chance? https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02723638.2021.1...

PG if you are reading this, I love you really, man. And if there's any room left down there for a resourceful fella, I will work for bunk and board. (In fact, I've been stockpiling tins since Feb 20, so I only need the bunk ;)

Hell no I hate every kind of war but I am sure that I need to be ready to fight if I want to be left alone.

Putin took control of Chernobyl tonight, you know. How do you think he thinks about this stuff?

> He might be insane but his background is FSB

How long was it called that, and when did he start in the game?

I'm guessing most of his background is actually not FSB, but KGB.

If Putin directly attacks the West you'll get your dream. Until then you might actually stop advocating nuclear Armageddon. If you are really willing to do this you are no better.