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Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by SkipperCat on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:17PM (#30419512)
This is so similar to the Anna Sorokin scam (now famous via Netflix). I think the Insta culture has made people so hungry for the image of success that they'll do anything to achieve it.

Taking that a step further, I do wonder if crimes like this will get public sentiment behind removing anonymity from the Internet. There's plenty of reasons to keep people's privacy. But society will only tolerate so much criminal behavior before handing over their freedom for order.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by gkoberger on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:36PM (#30419694)
The Tinder Swindler on Netflix is another example of this. Theranos isn't far off, either, although it was more "legitimate".

I disagree with your last paragraph, though. These weren't "anonymous" people, they were liars (often using their real identities and definitely using their real faces). There have been con artists for decades.

These people aren't trying to steal money and sneak off into the darkness. They're trying to brute force their way into their version of success, where their actual real identities are attached.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by lazide on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:18PM (#30420755)
Fake it until you make it is incredibly toxic for everyone - it gets people in over their heads in situations they have no experience for, it convinces folks to scam everyone around them, and it causes mental health issues for everyone as they can’t figure out if they should be more or less delusional than others.

It’s about time for some actual ‘experience and responsibility matter’ to come back - but it will have to get worse before it gets better, and hopefully we don’t get stuck in the ‘scam zone’

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by blowski on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:21PM (#30419535)
Such scams have always been true for whatever reason. Ancient Rome had specific laws around pretending to be other people, suggesting it was a big problem 2000 years ago. If this is used to justify removing anonymity from the internet, I doubt it will be the real motivation for those pushing it.
Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by ethbr0 on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:51PM (#30419819)
> so hungry for the image of success that they'll do anything to achieve it

I'd flip that sideways a bit and say that it's normalized the achievement of success (that is, the end rewards) to consumers / viewers, while omitting the effort to get there, to such a degree that no one thinks to look for or ask "How?"

Everything in the BBC article was pretty trivially verifiable. But most people didn't. That feels wrong.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by bunana on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:02PM (#30421208)
> Everything in the BBC article was pretty trivially verifiable. But most people didn't. That feels wrong.

I'm shocked that apparently no one looked up the supposed Madbird office (edit: except for Gemma, who had been working there already for two weeks!). Has covid really made people so comfortable working at home to the point where they don't care to know where their employer's physical office is? Especially for the people who were "hired" abroad. In my mind, I would be extra careful to audit a potential employer if they're based in a different country than where I live.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by nerdawson on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:11PM (#30420004)
> Everything in the BBC article was pretty trivially verifiable. But most people didn't. That feels wrong.

90k Instagram followers is all the verification most people need.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by tmnvix on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:16PM (#30420058)
God forbid the public see the anonymous nature of business entities as the problem here - at least when seeking justice.

> The tribunal order was made against the company, not against Ali Ayad as an individual. So if Madbird was insolvent, like Ali said, there was no way the tribunal could force it to pay any of the owed wages.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by autoexec on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:25PM (#30420148)
Exactly, corporations keep telling us they are people, but somehow they never face the kinds of consequences that actual people do. That said, I'd be surprised if there wasn't something Ali Ayad could be charged with directly.
Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by bsder on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:27PM (#30420183)
That doesn't fly in California. Back wages are one of the few things that officers of a company can be found personally liable for.
Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by Lascaille on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @01:38AM (#30424684)
Including in the case of a Delaware corporation with offices in California?
Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by bsder on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:18AM (#30427550)
Yes. Offices in California are governed by California labor law--otherwise companies could dodge things like the "non-competes are unenforceable" in California labor law.

Even if you are a Delaware corporation for stock purposes, there is some paperwork that grants you reciprocity in California and allows you to operate there. As part of that, you are subject to certain California laws.

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by shakna on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:17PM (#30420064)
> But society will only tolerate so much criminal behavior before handing over their freedom for order.

There's already movement to remove this [0], whether or not it's approved by the public, and whether or not it's deemed to actually be helpful at all by the experts in the field.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/28/coali...

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by edmcnulty101 on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:46PM (#30420394)
To be blunt to people who were swindled were either dumb or naieve.

they learned a valuable lesson.

I'm not sure if we need to put safety guards on every possible bad thing that can happen in the world

Re:An elaborate con that tricked dozens into working for a f... by Lascaille on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @01:39AM (#30424687)
>I'm not sure if we need to put safety guards on every possible bad thing that can happen in the world

Uh, it's literally the job of government to protect people from themselves.