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Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by paulryanrogers on Sunday February 20, 2022 @11:21PM (#30411953)
Tried NoScript for years and it was a pain. Too many of the sites I use need so many domains full of JS. So I think this will vary widely depending on the person and their preferred/needed sites.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by hilbert42 on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:05AM (#30413099)
It has to be said: there are people who can get by without JavaScript and those who can't. You can almost predict those who can and those who can't by their personality.

If you are heavy user of Google's services, Twitter and Facebook as well as many big news outlets and heavy-duty commercial sites then you're the 'JavaScript' type and stopping scripts is definitely not for you!

If you are like me and don't have any Facebook, Twitter or Google accounts and deliberately avoid large commercial sites like, say, Microsoft then you can happily switch off JavaScript and experience the 'better' web.

You know the type of person you are, so with this fact in mind there's no point me proselytizing the case for disabling JavaScript.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by mehdix on Monday February 21, 2022 @07:47AM (#30415296)
I can relate 100%. In the past I was constantly using Twitter, Gmail, et al. I was using different hacks to bend them to the extent possible to my will. Time changed, my personality changed and the desire and need to use those services disappeared, therefore I naturally stopped using them. When people where talking about this or that service being down, I didn't notice it at all. I was also lucky enough to not rely on them on my $dayjob. I run my mail server, host my website and run my scripts. Old fashoin guy lets say. It works well for me. Moreover, JS-bloat is a red flag to stay away from certain services. Has served me well.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by paulryanrogers on Monday February 21, 2022 @12:13PM (#30418107)
This seems like a broad generalization. JS continues to permeate every industry brought to the web. It's increasingly not optional as employers and governments mandate more and more web services. Doubtful that can be predicted by personality.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by hilbert42 on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:50PM (#30419807)
"...as employers and governments mandate more and more web services."

It's not compulsory, especially governments. I never deal with government on the web at a personal level. If they expect me to fill in forms I simply say that I do not have the web and would they please send me a paper copy - which they're obliged to do at law - same goes for the census.

If the government expects me to do business with it on the internet then it will have to legislate to make it compulsory AND then provide me with the necessary dedicated hardware for said purpose.

Why would I act this way? Well, for quite some years I was the IT manager for a government department and I know how they work (or I should say don't work).

BTW, as IT manager I never used email within the department (perfunctorily emails sent to my office were received by secretarial staff). If the CEO wanted to send me an important memorandum then he had to have it typed up on paper and personally sign it (and I would reciprocate the same). When in government you quickly realize that atoms on paper and especially a written signature is real guaranteed worth - unlike ephemeral emails that can vanish without trace.

I'm forever amazed at the trust the average person has in these vulnerability-ridden flaky systems.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by heavyset_go on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:44PM (#30422270)
> If you are heavy user of Google's services, Twitter and Facebook as well as many big news outlets and heavy-duty commercial sites then you're the 'JavaScript' type and stopping scripts is definitely not for you!

I, unfortunately, use some of these services and similar ones, too, and it takes a few seconds to enable JS on them, and then the sites will work indefinitely afterwards.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by eru on Sunday February 20, 2022 @11:53PM (#30412103)
I use NoScript with Firefox on Android (together with uBlock Origin). After I unblocked the websites I regularly use (and not the ad delivery domains), it doesn't get in the way that much.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by pcthrowaway on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:11AM (#30413524)
Unblocking the sites you use removes the advantage of not being tracked by Google through tag manager though.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by heavyset_go on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:45PM (#30422282)
I've had Google Tag Manager blocked for years and sites have worked fine without it.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by eru on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:38AM (#30413704)
That's probably true. Part of the reason why I still also use an ad-blocker.
Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by gorjusborg on Monday February 21, 2022 @10:33AM (#30416944)
> Too many of the sites I use need so many domains full of JS

I hear you, but I wonder if you are being honest with yourself when you use the word need.

At this point, I view Google and Facebook as the equivalent of loan sharks. A loan shark does provide a service, but most people shouldn't use one.

Re:Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020) by bogwog on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:39PM (#30420311)
Are you a web developer by any chance?