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Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by Aunche on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:12AM (#30398146)
>The evidence does not suggest an average worker will drop out of the labor force when provided with unconditional cash, even when the transfer is large.

Even a "large" transfer in this s context is not nearly as much as UBI. The Alaska oil dividend was less than $1000 last year. The Gulf oil nations are the only ones that give enough free money for citizens to live off of, and in these countries are extremely dependent on cheap foreign labor.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by FollowingTheDao on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:22AM (#30398225)
> these countries are extremely dependent on cheap foreign labor

They are not "dependent" on cheap labor. They can afford to buy cheap labor with no sacrifice to their own people. This is a benefit of UBI in a world that does not have universal UBI.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by hattmall on Saturday February 19, 2022 @03:39PM (#30400326)
They have slavery conditions worse than the American south, more similar to Guano mine slaves. They are entirely expendable, undocumented, locked into the worksites and subjugated by a state supported market. They are viewed as religious subhumans and treated as such, should they attempt anything by way of escape or complaining that can be cast into a religious based debtors prison for an indefinite amount of time with no trial.

Saudi Arabia literally butchered a major journalist. They have frequent public beatings and executions if actual citizens for minor infractions.

The modern Arab world's treatment of their imported SE Asian workforce is absolutely horrendous.

The official figure is that 6500 workers have died building the Qatar world cup stadiums. Applying a 10x multiple to that may still be low balling.

Re:We shouldn’t push a positive mindset on those in poverty by Aunche on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:27AM (#30398275)
The sacrifice is that their people's livelyhoods completely depend on the price of the sludge beneath their feet.