“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about research or merit.”

Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by guerrilla on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:01AM (#30383573)

It could be argued that doing all of that despite being a member of an oppressed group would be more meritorious than not. Swimming a mile is one thing, swimming a mile upstream is another.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by ALittleLight on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:12AM (#30383651)

What is the innate disadvantage you think Hispanics have in academics?

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by guerrilla on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:16AM (#30383679)

Is this really a good faith question? Like all other Hispanics in white dominated environments they face everything from casual racism to outright discrimination.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by pqs on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:20AM (#30383708)

Many hispanics are white.

This US racial categories are pure madness, quite useless in fact, and they do more harm than good.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by guerrilla on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:23AM (#30383725)

Fair point. Let's pretend I hedged for that :)

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by native_samples on Friday February 18, 2022 @06:06AM (#30384325)

Yes, being a Hispanic at MIT is soooo tough. After all, when he got a meeting with the president:

"We had our conversation in Spanish, and I think that afforded some candor that would not have been there otherwise."

Being able to talk to the Hispanic President of MIT in his own native language and getting benefits from that is not exactly screaming discrimination, is it.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by happy_path on Friday February 18, 2022 @06:13AM (#30384362)

Are you seriously comparing a positive anecdote with several years of issues in his workplace (according to his final remarks)?

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by inglor_cz on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:14AM (#30385288)

The academia is very heavily D-dominated, though, with a lot of anti-racist activism going on.

These should theoretically be the people who do not engage in casual racism or outright discrimination against Hispanics.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by soundnote on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:32PM (#30388575)

Imagine if anti-racist activists weren't themselves horribly racist. Their entire creed prizes skin colour above the individual, and treats them as members of groups first, people second.

Hell, a lot of those activists trying to get merit-based admissions out of schools? It's to get schools to be less Asian. San Fran just recalled a bunch of activist types from school boards, and I'd bet money that vote was in good part driven by the Asian population realizing the activist faculty were out to screw them over.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by WalterBright on Friday February 18, 2022 @05:07AM (#30383991)

The best prof I had at Caltech was Professor Ricardo Gomez. He had a long ponytail, wore leathers, and rode his chopper to work.

Without him, I would have likely flunked out.

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Re:“The president of MIT told me that tenure was not about r... by ALittleLight on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:15PM (#30390485)

Does "casual racism" include believing that people of specific ethnicities are swimming upstream if they get involved in academics? Are Chinese, Japanese, and Indian academics swimming upstream too?

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