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Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by barbazoo on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:41PM (#30376892)
> they can’t just store a one-way hash of passwords that remains secure even when stolen, they have to store the actual password

Maybe I'm missing something but sure they can't store its hash but they can and do store the password strongly encrypted. Presumably without the master password, at least, it should be close to impossible to retrieve the passwords. Or is that assumption wrong?

Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by booi on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#30376986)
That's exactly what they do and they have the audits[0][1] to prove it.

[0] https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/ [1] https://bitwarden.com/images/resources/Bitwarden-Security-As...

Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by ryandvm on Thursday February 17, 2022 @02:41PM (#30377678)
That is correct and they apparently have the audits to prove it.

That said, it's not bulletproof. The chink in the armor is the browser extensions they all use. All it would take is somebody to slip some trojan code into one of the browser extensions and all of the sudden you have a few hundred million decrypted password databases which could trivially be uploaded to wherever.

Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by kevindong on Thursday February 17, 2022 @02:49PM (#30377770)
Could you not argue the same thing for almost any code used by almost any piece of software closer to the metal?

e.g. someone manages to slip malicious code into Chrome/Chromium which eventually makes its way out to every Electron app/most browsers, or something gets injected into Windows/macOS/Linux, etc.

Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by coldtea on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:24PM (#30379515)
>Could you not argue the same thing for almost any code used by almost any piece of software closer to the metal?

You could. But if you haven't trusted all/most of your passwords to any single app, you wont have a problem with them being exposed when that particular piece of software is compromised.

Even if someone compromises your OS itself, you'll only lose the passwords you typed in while you were using it compromised. And that's if it does captures thoses, and if it sends them to some remote endpoint, and if it's not caught soon, and so on.

With a password manager compromised, on the other hand, you could loose anything you've put it in, all at once.

Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by dataflow on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:54PM (#30379828)
The likelihood of malicious code making its way into a browser extension in production is way, WAY higher than it is for something like Chrome or Windows.
Re:Ask HN: Why should I trust password managers? by dogman144 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:14PM (#30378770)
On one hand, yes software supply chain vulns are getting difficult to maintain conceptually total coverage of while also maintaining a pleasant environment for developers to productive in.

On the other hand, yes there eventually is a trust point somewhere. A spiral of upstream what-ifs isn't productive IMO, I agree.