Re:Investors bought a record share of U.S. homes in 2021
by jrumbut on Thursday February 17, 2022 @01:21PM
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Your Trump example shows how possible a wealth tax is. Sometimes you need to show you have money and the wealth tax can be hooked into those situations (among others).
Re:Investors bought a record share of U.S. homes in 2021
by lazide on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:16PM
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Not sure how since these specific transactions are still not cleared up, are already covered by existing laws quite thoroughly, and they’re by far the easiest types of things to tax in the ‘wealth but not income’ space, as real estate is pretty hard to hide and he was literally putting his name on it in giant letters.
If the wealth tax goes after real estate, folks just won’t put their name on it directly and voila, good luck.
This is also despite those alleged shenanigans being hamhanded and pretty obviously done and by probably the most well know and controversial ‘wealthy person’ in current society, enforcement still not only didn’t work, it still hasn’t actually been enforced. And is surrounded by massive controversy and legal BS and will probably drag on for another decade.
It’s like pointing to OJ Simpson’s murder trial as an example of swift and non-controversial justice that supports your legal policy?
Re:Investors bought a record share of U.S. homes in 2021
by jrumbut on Saturday February 19, 2022 @11:48PM
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The point is not that white collar crime enforcement is good, the point is that he was trying to show more wealth rather than less.
Therefore, a wealth tax would either raise money or discourage a form a fraud. It's a win either way.
It’s also operationally almost impossible to implement, as what counts as ‘wealth’ is highly ambiguous, and in most cases valuing it even in the best situation is nearly impossible. In a taxation situation even more so because it isn’t changing control between disinterested parties, so there is no one who has the time to really look at and form their own opinion and holding anyone accountable to it on a short timeframe.
A lot of the trump real estate scandals are from him (supposedly) manipulating real estate appraisals for favorable loan and tax purposes, and that is for something with relatively easy/straightforward/understood valuation and an army of appraisers.
Private equity? Partnerships in ongoing concerns? Controlling vs non-controlling interests in various things? Trusts?
There are so many valid ways to look at, account for, and structure these - and they all have wildly different values, levers to change those values, and short or long term valuations and cash flows. If you own a controlling interest in a large business, but don’t sell anything and don’t have income from it (you reinvest it in the business), that may or may not be a lot of wealth. If the business tanks without it, was the business worth anything? Or was it worth something and then it was another factor that killed it? If the business is producing a lot of cash and the owner pulls it out, that is clear measurable income and easy to quantity.
To the point if you threw 5 independent evaluators at any of them you’re probably going to get 7 different actual numbers, all meaningfully different, and all of which could be argued are legitimate.