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Re:How can minorities of regular individuals overturn social... by Tanjreeve on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @03:08PM (#30365034)
> One clear difference is the leaders enriching themselves without advancing the welfare of the people they claim to be promoting.

Ah yes that thing that famously only happens in Marxist political regimes.

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Re:How can minorities of regular individuals overturn social... by kbutler on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @06:45PM (#30367473)
"What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic idealism"

Difference between Marxism and unrealistic idealism, not between Marxism and other political regimes.

But I'd love to see an example of a Marxist regime bigger than a kibbutz that does not display that pattern, if you have one.

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Re:How can minorities of regular individuals overturn social... by Tanjreeve on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @08:55PM (#30368640)
This is a nebulous question you are just going to move the goalposts whatever answer I give seeing as every political regime in history has some degree of enrichment for its leaders. This leaves aside the whole "name a successful example except for these successful examples"
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Re:How can minorities of regular individuals overturn social... by kbutler on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:59PM (#30378596)
Yeah, I couldn't come up with one, either.

Kibbutzim are questionably successful at best - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_crisis for example, but they seem to be an upper scalability limit.

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