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Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by InTheArena on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:19PM (#30364452)
The status quo of 1935 would leave Korea and parts of China in Japanese hands, and the military Junta in place.

It's like saying Hitler would have made peace, as long as we let him have the Ukraine, and didn't mind all the jews he murdered.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by vmception on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:28PM (#30364580)
okay, interesting similarity, another similarity is that we (the US) didn't go to war against Hitler over occupied lands or the murdered Jews. Some of the allies happened to feel obligated to go to war over the occupied lands of their own partners, with the latter reality about the killings being neglected for an entire decade. The US stayed out of all, until eventually it was directly attacked by Japan and went to war against the whole Axis.

There isn't a history to support that either outcome would have been an absurdity.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by InTheArena on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:34PM (#30364625)
More specifically, the United States didn't go to war at all against Germany until Hitler declared war on the United States.

But it's worth noting that he did so, because Roosevelt, in his eyes, was the chief Agent of the jews.

So in other way, the United States did go to war because of murdered jews. But that is because he saw the United States as agents of the Jews.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by vmception on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:45PM (#30364746)
Ridiculous miscalculation.

yes, I'm reading about the order of events now. Germany declared war on US after US declared war on Japan. Germany's agreement with Japan did not provide for this kind of assurance if Japan attacked another country first. Hitler dismissed this reminder and had low regard for US military largely due to his blind hatred and belief that the country was weakened by Jewish and African Americans. whoops. what dumb ideas.

I get what you are saying, the reason I think it is a stretch to focus on the Jewish people murdered in Europe, is because the US mistreated them too, before, then and for decades after. It relies on retroactively applying sympathy towards Jewish people, to make it seem like the US and allies were actually involved for moral reasons, and morals reasons that included oppressed Jewish people. Liberating the camps was a stretch goal that occurred once soldiers busted into them and saw how dire it was first hand. People suspected, of course.

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by InTheArena on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:51PM (#30364831)
Interestingly enough, that view is being challenged right now. (I have a book on my bookshelf waiting for my intention).

Taking Hitler's second book more at it's words - its more that Hitler desperately wanted to get Japan into the War to keep America out of the war long enough to knock Soviet Russia out. He committed to declaring war on America if Japan did (prior to 12/1) to try and get Japan to take the brunt of the damage up front front.

Hitler bet that like in 1918, it would simply take a long time for the USA to build up it's armament. But it's also clear that Hitler viewed the United States - as agents of World Jewry - and it's continent of resources as the ultimate opponent for a unified germanic Europe.

(The best source off the top of my head for this PoV is Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction).

Re:History's deadliest air raid happened in Tokyo during Wor... by soperj on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @02:52PM (#30364837)
> More specifically, the United States didn't go to war at all against Germany until Hitler declared war on the United States.

You can say the same about Germany. They didn't go to war against France and England until they declared war on Germany.