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Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by verisimi on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:32AM (#30346900)
"I do not think there is much evidence that misinformation has become more widespread, that this increase in misinformation is due to technological change, or that it is at the root of the political trends liberals are most angry about. If anything, people seem to be better-informed than in the past"

I agree. Who has the truth? Government or media? Or neither?

What has become worse is the centralised control of information. Which then leads to those centralised sources complaining and publicising of the issue.

On the other side, you have governance structures that require the legacy media to support their messaging, as the govern the populace.

Both work hand in hand - one provides the message the other the megaphone. In the past 2 years, the government has bankrolled the largest campaign in history, and the media have been willing recipients.

Complaining about misinformation however, works for both parties - it provides a self-supporting justification their actions.

Truth and faithfully representing reality has very little to do with that "virtuous" circle between media and governance.

Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by phreeza on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:05AM (#30347364)
> What has become worse is the centralised control of information. Which then leads to those centralised sources complaining and publicising of the issue.

It seems to me like the opposite is the case, there is much less centralization than there used to be. There does seem to be some emergent synchronization of opinions but that is not the same.

Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by baronswindle on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:14AM (#30347474)
I think that's what the GP means by centralized control becoming worse. That is, information is less centralized now, and the sources that used to be at the center are now complaining about the issue.
Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by phreeza on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:28AM (#30347698)
Oh ok yea that would make sense. Worse in the sense of less efficient.
Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by lnxg33k1 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:55AM (#30347210)
To be honest, in Italy this issue was solved during ww-2 time, a bunch of commercial newspapers from far-left to right (we couldn't have far-right back then, of course :D, we still can't but people has forgot and so we have now, but they can't really read and write), created a cooperative called ANSA (https://www.ansa.it), that is no opionion, no controlling point of view, just facts as they happen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenzia_Nazionale_Stampa_Assoc...)

If you force Fox, CNBC, CNN to create an agency of news reporting where each one oversee the content created, in order to be as objective as possible, then I think the society in US would benefit

In Italy those newspapers do money by selling copies containing the premium content, which is like reports, opinion articles, more in depth opinion articles etc, which people is still interested in, but for news and facts then ANSA is the source of truth

Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by baronswindle on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:20AM (#30347577)
We do have the Associated Press (AP), which seems similar to what you describe. That said, even such sources can be guilty of ideological bias if they choose to report certain facts and not others. In practice, I think AP is pretty even-handed, but I think that is as much a result of their editorial process as it is of their focus on factual reporting over opinion/analysis.
Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by lnxg33k1 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:22AM (#30347617)
Ah yeah I forgot that AP is American, it's my go-to place for non-italian news, yeah ok nevermind my reply then.. interesting the point you make about their bias, not being there and following the scenarios in person I can only read it from across the ocean so I didn't know that...
Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by kurthr on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:14AM (#30347478)
But Berlusconi's (finivest/mediaset) ownership of Il Giornale and 3 of 7 TV channels makes that all a little less relevant due to political manipulation, doesn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Silv...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/016344370936116...

Re:The “misinformation problem” seems like misinformation by lnxg33k1 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:21AM (#30347594)
Yes and no, I would divide the news consumer between TV and written/paper/internet, Berlusconi is an issue because he controls a big chunk of TV easily accessible news content, but I am not sure how would you solve that, if a person wants to go to see news that match its point of view, then you can't force him not to, and if a TV has a lot of reality shows and entertainment and it mixes all of that with "news" program, then yeah he can kind of decide the weather, but yeah if you want un-opinionated news source you can at least have that, for what it's worth

But the scope of my reply was about "who owns the truth?" and yeah you need a place where people can go and check facts that are checked by peers of other point of view

I would tell you about my literature professor, he would walk around with multiple newspapers under his armpit and suggest that "If you want to try to get the truth you need to get the same fact from multiple point of view and try to get it in the middle"