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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rmbyrro on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:42PM (#30342875)
I think it's worth looking for a common ground that accommodates free speech and sleeping?

My personal opinion: your threshold to kill free speech is way, WAY too low.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by sbalea on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:10AM (#30347435)
I don't think you understand the concept of free speech. It allows you the right to express your opinion without fear of government oppression. It does not allow you to yell your opinion through a megaphone, in front of my house, at all hours of day and night.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by odonnellryan on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:34PM (#30353078)
Yeah I don't understand how people don't understand this. If I were to go outside your house and lay on my horn for a few days I'd expect to get arrested.

Free speech has nothing to do with it.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by monkeydreams on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:31AM (#30343171)
You think that the onus is on the sleepers rather than the protestors? Why should the sleepers have to put up with endless noise (along with the damage that sleeplessness brings) just so another person can exercise their right to free speech?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by listenallyall on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @02:15AM (#30343660)
Sadly, I doubt you even recognize your small contribution to, and complicity with, the normalization of an Orwellian, dystopian society.

Look at how casually you make these connections: speech -> noise -> sleeplessness -> damage ... therefore implying, purposefully or not, that speech = violence.

No. Speech is NOT violence. I suggest you get a pair of earplugs.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by monkeydreams on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:11AM (#30344676)
> Sadly, I doubt you even recognize your small contribution to, and complicity with, the normalization of an Orwellian, dystopian society.

Sadly, I doubt you even recognise your contribution to the polarisation of society and removal of nuance from social discourse.

> No. Speech is NOT violence. I suggest you get a pair of earplugs.

Threats. That's one form of violence. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, that's another.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rmbyrro on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @07:50AM (#30345761)
> Threats. That's one form of violence. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, that's another.

Threat is instigating fear of injury. Violence is causing injury. You can have your own personal definition, but from a legal perspective, threat is not a violent crime.

Yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre isn't even illegal. Let alone a violence. Inciting panic is illegal. If you incite panic through yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, you'll answer for inciting panic and will bear responsibility for the actual consequences, if any, not for the yelling.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by tremon on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:59AM (#30347278)
Of course.

https://dictionary.thelaw.com/violence/

this violence is not confined to an actual assault of the person, [..] whatever goes to intimidate or overawe, by the apprehension of personal violence, or by fear of life [..] equally falls within its limits

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by listenallyall on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @07:21AM (#30359099)
That's pretty creative editing there. Everything you quoted (and omitted via ellipse) is prefaced by "In cases of robbery". The part about intimidation only counts when it is "to compel the delivery of property." Since this isn't a discussion about a robbery or theft or possession of property, the entirety of your quote is irrelevant.

Instead, read a little further: The term “violence” is synonymous with “physical force,” and the two are used interchangeably, in relation to assaults

Speech is not physical force, and is not an assault, and is not violence.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by odonnellryan on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:32PM (#30353047)
I think you'd have a very different perspective if I were to sit outside your house with a horn blasting for a few weeks straight.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by jessaustin on Monday February 21, 2022 @01:57PM (#30419325)
Do you feel strongly enough about any particular issue to inspire that sort of protest?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by shermablanca on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @01:40AM (#30343487)
What makes you think they’re honking all through the night? From what I’ve heard they stop at 8:00pm. Claims to the contrary do not come with corresponding evidence.

Anyone here with on the ground experience about the nighttime situation?

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by chaps on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:13AM (#30344693)
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by monkeydreams on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:08AM (#30344652)
> What makes you think they’re honking all through the night? From what I’ve heard they stop at 8:00pm. Claims to the contrary do not come with corresponding evidence.

Perhaps reading the comment in context of the comment chain is necessary. I am making no claims as to the truckers, I am stating that the onus is on those who are causing damage by their "Free Speech" to adjust to avoid causing that damage, rather than on the people suffering the damage.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by slothtrop on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:39AM (#30346977)
You've heard wrong. There are residents who have opted to just leave the city because sleep is impossible. It's a fucking shit show.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rmbyrro on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @07:54AM (#30345789)
I just don't think we have to take away their right of free speech in order to protect other people's rights to peace in their homes.

It doesn't have to be either one or the other. A more conciliatory approach by the Canadian government would pay off better. My personal opinion, only. I might be wrong, who knows?...

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by irthomasthomas on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @05:13PM (#30353564)
If you people would just watch some of the live streams then they would know the nuisance honking ended almost 2 weeks ago.

This whole thread is people arguing about something they evidently know nothing about.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by odonnellryan on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @01:06PM (#30363393)
I watched the livestream last night, there is still honking...
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by irthomasthomas on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @01:51PM (#30364042)
It is the middle of a city, there is going to be some honking, but it's not as bad as the media is making out. And as crime is down there are fewer sirens. The truckers aren't trying to anger residents, they want them on board, which is why they have always kept lanes open for people to get around.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by odonnellryan on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:33PM (#30353062)
They should be able to demonstrate and make noise, but there is a limit to things.

I cannot have a festival out on my lawn for similar reasons...

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by JamisonM on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:39AM (#30343216)
I think the commenter is exactly saying that they would accept a common ground that accommodates free speech and allowing residents to live in peace free of noise pollution, they are complaining that this common ground does not currently exist.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by odonnellryan on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @04:31PM (#30353026)
You can demonstrate without keeping people up all night for weeks.

If that is the only type of demonstration that gets your point across, ok, but I seriously doubt that is the case.