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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by SECProto on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:16PM (#30341252)
> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal.

The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act)

> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support.

Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns.

> So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen.

No, anyone attending this specific protest at this specific time when there is a provincial state of an emergency (and now the invoking of the federal emergencies act, which requires provincial assent) is joining an illegal activity, and anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen.

> There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution?

There is indeed. The Emergencies Act is subject to the charter of rights and freedoms, section 7 of which covers legal rights[1] and section 1 of which lays out how these rights are subject to "such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact whether these restrictions were demonstrably justified (hint: with the province declaring the protest illegal, declaring a state of emergency last week, and the protesters totally refusing to move: they will be found justified. Our court system is not nearly as politicized as our southern neighbours')

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by kerneloftruth on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:47PM (#30342041)
The only thing sadder than the authoritarian measures adopted in Canada and Australia is the glee with which so many of their citizens embrace it.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by Barrin92 on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:38PM (#30342453)
The only thing that's sad is that a bunch of enraged people aren't getting vaccinated during an ongoing pandemic and instead decide to break the law and cause untold sums in economic damage.

Getting these people off the street isn't authoritarianism, it's preventing the inmates from running the asylum.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by alexandre_m on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:19PM (#30342730)
Getting protesters at Parliament Hill arrested, fined, bank accounts frozen, and other people who support them (fining those who brings food and gas), isn't authoritarian?

Can't you make a distinction with the bridge blockade and the rest?

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by Barrin92 on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:38PM (#30342865)
I think you can and should make a distinction between protests that are lawful and those that are illegal. If a protest isn't lawful any more, aiding it isn't either.

To me the Canadian government doesn't look authoritarian, it looks weak. For weeks you have people threatening public order as well as public health. To accommodate this implies that a minority can intimidate the majority of the population and legitimate authority through use of force.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by blindmute on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:29AM (#30347718)
Exactly right. We should allow protests, but only the ones that don't make the government look weak. As soon as the protest starts gaining traction, it needs to be declared illegal so that the minority cannot intimidate legitimate authority.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by frabbit on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:22PM (#30436359)
Like the Hong Kong protests? Those are illegal. I don't think your distinction is useful or clarifying. All that being illegal says is that the state has decided its not allowed.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by SECProto on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:21PM (#30342329)
Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself!

But you might be better served to first examine the reasons why so many Canadians are in favour of various restrictions that have been introduced (and eventually once again withdrawn), by every party and every level of government in the last two years. It's mostly because we have much more faith than our American counterparts that our institutions will do what's right for all Canadians.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by frabbit on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:34PM (#30436437)
> Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself!

What about an online petition or a bake sale?

Less sarcastically: there are frequently situations in which a majority may democratically decide to make a minority behave in a certain way. I think it is relatively clear from opinion polls that a majority of Canadians do not agree with the behavior of the truckers. So writing to an MP or running for parliament will probably be a fruitless strategy. Hence the protests.

It would be trivial to find unpleasant, widely-condemned situations in which you and I would probably be united in our opposition.

The difficulty comes when the minority being forced to behave in a certain way are non-appealing in some way. Democracies need to find a way of dealing with them. It will be horse-trading, negotiation, cajoling, appealing and arguing.

None of those strategies were applied by the Trudeau government before they became hysterical and tried to claim they were having a Canadian version of Jan 6th.

I am certain that many Canadians both do not agree with the apparent demands of the truckers and simultaneously do not agree with the application of the Emergencies Act.

I found this podcast interesting: three interviews with people who were doxxed as donors. I disagreed with the first two, but the third one seemed like a very sane person: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/756-how-i-ended-up-suppor...

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by yonaguska on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:57PM (#30341621)
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk

Man arrested for honking

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by abstract_put on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:31PM (#30341922)
It looks like the old man was stopped for honking. Not sure on the timing of everything, there was an injunction granted against honking downtown Ottawa.

He appears to have been arrested for refusing to identify himself when stopped (it looks like he was intending to, then emboldened by the cameraman opted not to). That's bog standard highway traffic act stuff - if you're stopped driving, you have to show your license, registration and proof of insurance if asked.

To say "arrested for honking" feels misleading - it seems reasonable to suggest that if he followed standard Highway Traffic Act stuff he would have been on his way with a warning/ticket/whatever is done presently to stop the honking, doesn't it? I'm open to have misunderstood, I'm not even qualified to be an armchair lawyer.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by listenallyall on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:37PM (#30342438)
This is a parody post, right? Like your claims are so absurd as to convince readers the government has overreached, yes?

> violating the highway traffic act

Show me the man, and I'll find you a crime. Seriously man, what the fuck is the "Highway Traffic Act."

> an injunction granted specifically against honking horns

Let's simply declare a benign activity that people do thousands of times per day in every city, illegal!

> this specific protest at this specific time

But also, you better not show up at similar protests at other times either

> provincial state of an emergency

Yep, the blanket "emergency declaration" that makes virtually everything we don't like, illegal

> joining an illegal activity

because we just declared whatever you are doing to be illegal

> anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen

so you don't have to be a protester to be engulfed by this, just offering $5 so someone can get a coffee means you could have your accounts frozen. Cast a wide net, indeed!

> It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact

Yes, by judges who are appointed by Canada's federal government!