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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by daenz on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:31PM (#30340786)
That's like saying civil forfeiture is ok because the police will only ever take things from people involved with actual crimes, and that if you're not doing crime you have nothing to worry about. Do you forget how things are manipulated by people with power?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by TheOtherHobbes on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:06PM (#30341150)
No it isn't.

And this is entire event has been orchestrated by "people with power" with a political agenda which is hostile to most of the population.

It has almost exactly zero organic content. No amount of rhetoric and gaslighting is going to change that.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by 0cVlTeIATBs on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:13PM (#30341227)
Could you summarize who the "people in power" are and their agenda, in your opinion?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by _whiteCaps_ on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:21PM (#30341286)
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/anonymous-donations-to-convoy-as-...

> The top donation, $215,000, has a comment that says “processed but not recorded.” The next top donation, at $90,000, is listed as from Thomas M. Siebel. CTV News has reached out to the American billionaire by the same name but has not confirmed it is his donation.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by DuskStar on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:34PM (#30341405)
Should we apply the same standards to things like BLM or Moms Demand Action?

Those standards being "billionaires donated, therefore illegitimate" as far as I can tell.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by _whiteCaps_ on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:32PM (#30341931)
No, I'm referring to Americans donating to Canadian causes, and yes, it's a problem both ways: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/foreign-donors-gave-1-3...

> The inquiry launched by Alberta Premier Jason Kenney’s government into the scale of foreign funds aimed at damaging the province’s oil and gas industry has issued its long-awaited report, finding that foreign donors provided nearly $1.3 billion in funds for Canadian environmental campaigns between 2003 and 2019.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by ejanus on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:19PM (#30342731)
Why is it wrong? When Indian farmers started theirs money poured in from all over the world. When Nigerians started theirs same thing happened. Why should Canada be different?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by not2b on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:51PM (#30341560)
BLM protesters have been promptly arrested when they blocked streets or failed to disperse when the police ordered it, often rather violently. If these protesters want to get the same treatment BLM protesters got, they may well regret it.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by notjoemama on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:19PM (#30342317)
You and I remember Budapest very differently.

In Portland Oregon, BLM spray painted buildings, burnt many things in the middle of the road and sidewalks, destroyed property, physically assaulted, broke windows, and ripped down bus stops and statues. They formulated an incursion into a state building putting the lives of Oregon's law officers in jeopardy (Molotov cocktails throw at them).

Depending on your persuasion, you might argue some justification occurred in Minneapolis Minnesota. But there are clearly limits when destruction of property and looting fall far outside of any tenuous reflection of social unrest. (Target?)

Seattle Washington was worse. Much much worse. The city directed their police force to yield a central block of the city to armed rebellion. People, one as I recall completely innocent, were shot and killed.

There was not the immediacy nor the widespread arrests to match the level of violence and destruction in these three locations. In terms of accuracy and spirit I believe you have missed the mark in your description of action and response.

There have been some good points in this thread otherwise and I'm still thinking about them. But you would be better served by re-evaluating your position on this topic.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by gammarator on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:41PM (#30342478)
That description of what happened in Seattle is inaccurate. See https://kuow.org/stories/we-know-who-made-the-call-to-seattl...

Mid-level police commanders unilaterally decided to abandon the precinct, which allowed CHAZ to form. Not “the city,” and not in the face of “armed rebellion.”

(Yes, there were guns and unfortunate violence later: after the police left. Their job is maintaining public order; they failed.)

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by southerntofu on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @08:26AM (#30346077)
The police job in the history of modern republics was never to maintain "public order", unless by that you mean preventing disruption of existing systems of privilege. I can only recommend reading Michel Foucault "Discipline and Punish" about the society of control, and the roles of the police and judicial system.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by slices on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @10:58AM (#30348174)
If you do so, I recommend keeping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Views_on_under... in mind
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by southerntofu on Thursday February 17, 2022 @07:21AM (#30372298)
Hello, that's a good point! We should always point out pedophilia where it's hiding. However, from previous readings and from following the linked sources of that Wikipedia article, i don't think that Foucault was a pedophile. He did (like many other thinkers of the time) sign a petition defending someone who didn't deserve it, but it's easy to judge in retrospect as the precise context of the case was not publicly known at the time of the petition. But nowhere could i read him arguing for pedophilia or suggesting he himself engaged in such abhorrent behavior.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by FooBarBizBazz on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:18PM (#30408939)
Here is a not-terribly-biased source:

https://theoryreader.org/2021/03/30/french-philosopher-miche...

Here is a more conservative one (yet still, the essay is very good), which also brings up how he knowingly spread HIV to young men in San Francisco:

https://newcriterion.com/issues/1993/3/the-perversions-of-m-...

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by notjoemama on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:06PM (#30342672)
Thank you gammarator, you are correct, that is how it initiated. I believe what I'm recalling, and I apologize for not remembering specifics as clearly, was a couple different events after CHAZ was...let's say "established". I believe there was more than one armed stand off, one in particular a organized force (but was it national guard or city police?) and the mayor (in my previous comment referred to as "the city") directed officers to yield the area. The occupiers formed an armed militia and the city ceded control of the block to them. I unfortunately misremembered the timeline and characterized it by stating it the way that I did. Thanks for pointing that out.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by collegeburner on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:28PM (#30341894)
They occupied several blocks in a city for weeks with no dispersing.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by dicknuckle on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:03PM (#30342165)
....and the truckers in Ottawa haven't? Did this protest not start over 2 weeks ago?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by stjohnswarts on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:51PM (#30342078)
Sure but that was in a very liberal city. The USA is a very large country with a full spectrum of reactions. If they would have tried that in say a large city in Texas or Montana the state police would have busted it up within a couple days.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by RHSeeger on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:20PM (#30341831)
They have also been given a free pass in other instances. It's gone both ways.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rootusrootus on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:29PM (#30342377)
How many BLM protesters were arrested, though? Something like 14,000? I don't think they got much of a free pass.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:45PM (#30342512)
In fairness BLM was far more violent. Neighborhoods were burned to the ground, businesses were looted, people were injured, and several people were killed. Moreover, the BLM protests involved millions of people, so 14K arrests seems believable. Moreover, how many of the arrested were charged (getting arrested on its own isn’t that big of a deal).
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by eric_h on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:56PM (#30342950)
> Neighborhoods were burned to the ground

This is the first I'm hearing of this. Which neighborhoods were burned to the ground?

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by throwaway894345 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:10AM (#30343032)
Various parts of Kenosha off the top of my head. Most other arson cases were isolated businesses, police precincts, etc. There were also entire neighborhoods in which virtually every business was looted. We had at least a few such neighborhoods in Chicago, and there were many others across the country including many of the communities that BLM folks purport to care about.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by eric_h on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:33AM (#30343187)
I see. I googled and what I found did not quite equate to what I would call "neighborhoods burned to the ground" but noted.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by throwaway894345 on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:59AM (#30343302)
I'm sure "neighborhoods" isn't quite the right term, but the videos I've seen of the aftermath are hard to exaggerate.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by ric2b on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @04:39PM (#30366108)
I'm not sure if they are, you did pretty good at exaggerating them.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by Steltek on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @09:11AM (#30346617)
It seems like BLM is the new Godwin's Law of protesting. This is like inappropriately invoking the Holocaust.

BLM arose from several extrajudicial murders by police after a history of racism and mistreatment by the state. The trucker protest is essentially about commerce policy in an already very heavily regulated industry. It's hard to imagine other similar jobs where mandating your hours of sleep is discussed by a federal legislature (possibly international treaty too?).

The perspective is important because these are obviously not the same thing.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by bbarnett on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:49PM (#30342058)
Didn't they take over a massive section of Seattle for a month?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:39PM (#30342460)
What’s the distribution? What are the median and 95th percentile donations? It’s impossible to tell if those donations are indicative of anything or merely outliers.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by notjoemama on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:52PM (#30342576)
Eh, never mind. In retrospect my previous thoughts add nothing. I apologize for wasting your time.