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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by Filligree on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:21PM (#30340676)
Unprecedented? What?

How do you think we eradicated Smallpox?

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by selcuka on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:31PM (#30340789)
> I'm pretty sure we did not eradicate smallpox by firing people for not getting the vaccine...

Yes we did:

> In 1901 a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston and Cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refused to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the Constitution.

> One of those holdouts, a Swedish-born pastor named Henning Jacobson, took his anti-vaccine crusade all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. The nation's top justices issued a landmark 1905 ruling that legitimized the authority of states to “reasonably” infringe upon personal freedoms during a public health crisis by issuing a fine to those who refused vaccination.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by dham on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:47PM (#30340965)
Smallpox was actually deadly though. If Covid had the death rate of Smallpox then everyone would have gotten a vaccine. That's the end of the discussion. If your neighbor is bleeding from their eyes (Ebola) then people will take the vaccine. The reason Covid is different is because most people have to be reminded every day that it even exists, take a test every-time they sniffle to get diagnosed. So you can imagine vaccine uptick is just going to be less. It's a fact of life. The connection just isn't there.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by selcuka on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:25PM (#30341335)
> If Covid had the death rate of Smallpox then everyone would have gotten a vaccine.

The point is even with smallpox some people refused to get the vaccine. People are weird.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by Ensorceled on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:58PM (#30341090)
COVID has killed 919,336 Americans, excess deaths over previous years indicate that is under reported by almost 50%.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by brandonmenc on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:03PM (#30341130)
Smallpox is like - at minimum - 30x more deadly - probably up to 70x more deadly - kills fully half of infected children under age 1 - and renders blind around 1% of those infected.

It's ridiculous to even compare the two.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by henrikschroder on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:05PM (#30341688)
> by issuing a fine to those who refused vaccination.

...of five dollars back then, which would be ~$160 today.

The difference between a $160 fine and being fired from your job is enormous, but you just ignored that part to make your argument.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by selcuka on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:07AM (#30343013)
And you just ignored the main point, which was not the amount of the fine, but the "1905 ruling that legitimized the authority of states to “reasonably” infringe upon personal freedoms during a public health crisis". Not that I think this is a good (or a bad) thing, but it's a historical fact.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by henrikschroder on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:32AM (#30344055)
I did not ignore it, it is simply unreasonable to fire people from their jobs over this.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by jml7c5 on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:44PM (#30340933)
I believe you replied to the wrong comment. (Just a note for anyone who is confused.)
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by selcuka on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:21PM (#30341289)
Yes, sorry for not mentioning it, but the reply button was not visible for some reason (possibly HN thought that it's a flamewar), hence the closest comment and the quote. :/
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by walterbell on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:42PM (#30340904)
> How do you think we eradicated Smallpox?

By quarantine and contact tracing, after vaccination failed.

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/end-smallpox

> Contrary to popular belief smallpox was not eradicated by mass vaccination. Though tried initially it proved difficult to implement in many countries and was abandoned in favour of surveillance-containment. This involved trained workers searching for cases, with rewards for those who found them. Cases and their contacts were then isolated; contacts were vaccinated. Interestingly this strategy incorporated elements of a system devised in 1778 by John Haygarth in Chester. The last natural case occurred in Somalia in 1977 and after exhaustive enquiries the 1980 WHO Assembly concluded that smallpox had been eradicated.

1902 letter about the Leicester, UK method that was later adopted elsewhere, https://ia601300.us.archive.org/28/items/b24765430/b24765430...

> I am far from saying that vaccination is a delusion, but the experience of Leicester during the past thirty years has been unique, and shows that compulsory vaccination is not essential for the effectual control of smallpox, for despite the neglect of vaccination, the authorities here have been successful in stamping out numerous outbreaks of smallpox, the deaths from the disease have been very few, and the expense involved, when compared with that in other well-vaccinated towns, has been trifling. Under these circumstances I have ventured to publish the following paper, read at the Congress of the Royal Institute of Public Health, held at Exeter, in August, which explains in detail what is known as the “Leicester system of dealing with smallpox.”

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by brandonmenc on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:48PM (#30340976)
I meant unprecedented in modern times under modern notions of medical ethics and bodily autonomy which didn't exist over a hundred years ago.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by AnimalMuppet on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:25PM (#30340728)
I'm pretty sure we did not eradicate smallpox by firing people for not getting the vaccine...
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by whoisburbansky on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:37PM (#30340846)
It's hilarious you say that, since that's exactly how we eradicated smallpox: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by mmastrac on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:31PM (#30340792)
Montreal did in fact have a mandate for the Smallpox vaccine in the past.