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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:54PM (#30340378)
I’m not sure any of those things matter?

- Plenty of vaccinated people against vaccine mandates and other restrictions. Doctors are allowed to be Covid positive and treat patients in BC and QC. But apparently truckers who are Covid negative are a problem?

- Foreign money influence is a problem, sure, but businesses? They can’t support a protest?

- Last poll I saw (Ipsos) said 1 out of 3 Canadians support the protest. 1 out of 3. That’s HUGE.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by mmastrac on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:56PM (#30340410)
Only 22% say that the protesters should stay. 3/4 say "go home" [$]:

https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...

[$] the survey option was "go home now, they have made their point"

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by zackees on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:10PM (#30340553)
From their own website:

"Survey Methodology: The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from Feb. 11-13, 2022 among a representative randomized sample of 1,622 Canadian adults *WHO ARE MEMBERS OF ANGUS REID FORUM.*" (emphasis mine)

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by lamontcg on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:01PM (#30340478)
> Doctors are allowed to be Covid positive and treat patients in BC and QC.

That's because hospitals were slammed. And because viral debris shows up as positive on PCR tests long after people are no longer contagious and that has been well-known since mid-2020. A doctor who is no longer symptomatic but is positive on a PCR is better than no doctor for the patient.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by tonfreed on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:57PM (#30340419)
1 out of 3 colonists supported the American revolution. It's not wise to stomp on such a large and vocal portion of your population.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by dragonwriter on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:13PM (#30340594)
> 1 out of 3 colonists supported the American revolution.

Obviously, there isn't good polling data for support for the revolution, but the information I can find puts estimates at 40-45%, with support for the Crown at between 15-20%. I wouldn't put too much weight on even that, though.

The popular 1/3 each for, against, and indifferent to the Revolution seems to be based on misinterpreting an 1815 letter from John Adams to James Lloyd recounting his estimate of support in America for France and the French Revolution in the US ca. 1797 (with the strong anti- side being supporters of England and opponents of the Revolution, and the neutrals being indifferent between England and France that would attach to one or the other side based on transient circumstances.)

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by shakezula on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:04PM (#30340504)
Did you have the same attitude towards the summer 2020 protests in the US?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by brandonmenc on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:19PM (#30340658)
All that matters is that - generally - the politicians and media opposed to these protests supported the 2020 protests and encouraged people to violate stay-at-home measures at the then-height of the pandemic - pre-vaccine - because they claimed that cause overrode the Covid exposure risk.

And they wonder why large swathes of the public find it difficult to trust them.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by aksss on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:31PM (#30340793)
Ask after truckers start burning down neighborhood grocery stores and looting, threatening residents to make proper salute, and tearing drivers out of vehicles to beat them.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by shakezula on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:27PM (#30342367)
Weak, unnecessary whataboutism that isn’t from OP, doesn’t add anything to the conversation, and doesn’t answer the question.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by torstenvl on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @06:15PM (#30354237)
You are the one who compared the two. Pointing out points on which they are not analogous is perfectly fair game. Calling an inappropriate comparison whataboutism when you are the one who raised the comparison is dishonest.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by defaultname on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:04PM (#30340497)
"Last poll I saw (Ipsos) said 1 out of 3 Canadians support the protest"

That grossly misrepresented poll asked only if respondents sympathize with their cause. If you agree that mandates need to go. Note that when asked directly, 60-70% of Canada are over mandates, and just being asked to show sympathy already lost 50% of those people.

But this doesn't mean that those people support this protest. Indeed, in subsequent polls, over 60% of the country wants the protesters jailed.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:09PM (#30340547)
I’m not sure we disagree? 46% having sympathy shows it’s not a vocal minority in the least.

And sympathy is a kind of support. I mean, you can have support without sympathy for the cause they are protesting?

22% said they should stay, so 1 out of 5 directly support it.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by mint2 on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:37PM (#30342854)
Note on the definition of sympathy. One can have sympathy for where someone’s coming from but completely disagree and be opposed to an action it inspires them to take.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:19AM (#30343094)
From the Ipsos poll:”A sizeable minority of Canadians (37%) agree (16% strongly/21% somewhat) that while they might not say it publicly, they agree with a lot of what the truck protestors are fighting for”
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by defaultname on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:17PM (#30340638)
You claimed that the survey showed that they "support" the protests. The question asked only if people "sympathize" with the "frustration" of the convoy. That is a very low barrier, easy yes, given that a strong majority of Canada is tired of mandates. Indeed, the question went so far as adding "may not support the protest" to specifically delimit.

Canadians are very against this protest. If they simply parked some trucks and hung some signs, whatever. Once they were blasting horns 24/7, and then when that didn't work (given that the overwhelming majority of "truckers" are not with their cause and continued working) blocking international borders, the Canadian public turned dramatically against this petulant outrage. Having a bunch of Americans cheering it on, financing it, and even trying to join in has made it a cause that most Canadians find outright treasonous now.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:00PM (#30342634)
Having sympathy is a form of support. And even the latest polls say 1 in 5 Canadians "want the protestors" to stay. That's what? A few million Canadians?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by MisterBastahrd on Monday February 14, 2022 @11:23PM (#30342756)
No, it is not.

Plenty of people are sympathetic if a starving man breaks into a store to steal some food. That isn't the same thing as being supportive of breaking and entering or theft.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:16AM (#30343072)
You nicely ignored the 1 in 5 who do support the convoy.

Like I said, millions of Canadians.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by MisterBastahrd on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @02:29AM (#30343738)
In democracies, we tend to ignore things when they only get 20% support, and that's if nobody is actively being harmed.

I hope that the convoys are not only completely cut off from economic support, but also that the people driving those trucks are identified and prevented from ever crossing the border into the US. Truck driving is a decent job. Be a shame if some of them were forced to earn a living doing something else from now on.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by refurb on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @03:42AM (#30344127)
In democracies, we tend to ignore things when they only get 20% support, and that's if nobody is actively being harmed.

This is a terrible understanding of Canada's system and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (including the ones that Trudeau just suspended with the Emergencies Act).

It's not hard to understand how authoritarian systems come about - it's people like you who gladly support them as long as the enemy is someone you agree is bad.

Yikes.