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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by colechristensen on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:29PM (#30340030)
The adjective critical though has been used very broadly during the pandemic. It's clear that it needs a very specific definition or such language could be used to make any protest illegal because it blocked access to a pizza place, etc.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by ajross on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:36PM (#30340135)
> The adjective critical though has been used very broadly

Access to most of Ottawa was been cut off, including one of the biggest border crossings in Canada, not a "pizza place". Deploying hyperbole like this isn't helping your case. Surely if the Ambassador Bridge doesn't qualify as critical infrastructure, nothing does.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by JacobThreeThree on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:42PM (#30340214)
Shutting down the entire CN rail network apparently didn't qualify previously.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marc-miller-path-forward-pr...

These railway blockades forced layoffs, and the CBC also notes that rail carries three times more than what trucks do in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rail-shutdown-pro...

Instead, in this case, the Trudeau government met with the protestors and had a process of dialogue that resolved them peacefully after almost a year.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by defaultname on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:36PM (#30340841)
There are a couple of rather large exaggerations in your post.

It wasn't the "entire CN rail network" (instead it was the Eastern Canada segment, comprising maybe 15% of CN's network). They don't claim that rail carries three times more than trucks do, but instead simply note that one rail car carries as much as three trucks.

And the blockade lasted approximately 2-3 weeks. Not sure what you mean by "after almost a year".

But let's be clear -- most of Canada was enraged about that. It was hugely expensive to Trudeau politically, and was a tenterhooks [edit - thank you fennec] situation because of the aboriginal file. Yet most of Canada absolutely wanted a stronger response and it hurt Trudeau in the election.

I honestly don't get these "but the rail blockade" or "but some BLM protest in some US city" responses.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by JacobThreeThree on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:58PM (#30342626)
>It was hugely expensive to Trudeau politically, and was a tenterhooks [edit - thank you fennec] situation because of the aboriginal file. Yet most of Canada absolutely wanted a stronger response and it hurt Trudeau in the election.

So as long as it's politically expedient for the sitting PM you would advocate using the emergencies act? Yikes.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by defaultname on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @07:31AM (#30345581)
> So as long as it's politically expedient for the sitting PM you would advocate using the emergencies act? Yikes.

Can you point to the part of my post that said that? Anywhere?

Yikes.

Stronger response simply means demanding that police enforce existing laws and injunctions (where injunctions are often simply court orders saying "follow the law") instead of the conciliatory let-it-play-out messaging that Trudeau used at the time. Even in the case of the current protests the emergency act seems unnecessary, and is basically a failure condition for the Ottawa Police basically doing nothing and claiming that they're all out of ideas.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by collegeburner on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:31PM (#30341920)
> I honestly don't get these... "but some BLM protest in some US city" responses

I am ok with BLM blocking infrastructure and disripting things to spread an important message. But we have to give everybody the same ability then.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by fennecfoxen on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:47PM (#30340963)
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by TeeMassive on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:22PM (#30341847)
> I honestly don't get these "but the rail blockade" or "but some BLM protest in some US city" responses.

It's usually called integrity and honestty

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by colechristensen on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:48PM (#30340296)
I'm not saying what is currently being obstructed is wrong (or not) to include in a restriction on protest.

I am saying that during the pandemic for the purposes of restrictions and exceptions, people who worked at grocery stores were "critical workers". It's a big old caution for using words like "critical" which are very vague in order to implement policy assuming it will be used for things you deem to be important, because you do things like that and now there's precedent. Grocery stores are critical infrastructure now so some picket line for a labor dispute at a grocery store is now legally arguably a banned protest.

When opposed to things, people are usually very happy to give away freedoms they don't realize might have adverse consequences in the future.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by benatkin on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:55PM (#30342111)
Where does it say "critical"? It seems to me like you replaced the word "essential" with "critical".
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by colechristensen on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @12:53PM (#30350067)
It does here, for example:

https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/

> In accordance with this order, the State Public Health Officer has designated the following list of Essential Critical Infrastructure Workers to help state, local, tribal, and industry partners as they work to protect communities, while ensuring continuity of functions critical to public health and safety, as well as economic and national security.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by benatkin on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @01:07PM (#30350287)
Nope, critical is attached to infrastructure there, not to workers.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by colechristensen on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @01:27PM (#30350571)
And I’m responding to

> Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal

and pointing out that there are an enormous number of things which were labeled critical infrastructure during the pandemic, like any store that sells food.

You’re splitting hairs in an unhelpful way which distracts from the point entirely.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by benatkin on Tuesday February 15, 2022 @11:46PM (#30356462)
I think the stores are critical infrastructure for food but that individual staff issues is not so critical, and more on the lines of essential.

However, enough grocery stores have to be kept running, or else people could run out of food, or the food supply chain could be disrupted.

So, "essential workers" means that they have to be protected and encouraged to work as a group, but that if some individual ones quit or have to take time off work, it will be OK. Whereas in this crisis, if even one grocery store closed, that could, depending on the area, cause a problem.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by nathanaldensr on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:13PM (#30342259)
Both words are tools of propaganda nowadays. Define them to leave no doubt and I'll change my mind.