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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by ipaddr on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:19PM (#30339912)
The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop.

If Trudeau opened debate weeks ago I wonder where we would be today.

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by tonfreed on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:32PM (#30340069)
He was never going to do that. The media immediately started on the "truckers are Nazis" line and took that option off the table.
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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:15PM (#30340613)
It’s not like Trudeau is exactly a paragon of egalitarianism or racial sensitivity.
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Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by canadian-on-hn on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:42PM (#30341485)
If you haven't heard the term before, this kind of response is called called "whataboutism":

> Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rasz on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:12PM (#30341752)
No its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by abstract_put on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:53PM (#30342095)
> No its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy

I think it's worth reading the page - the definition is:

> Whataboutism ... is a ... logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument

You've charged hypocrisy, I don't see a direct refutation of the argument. Given that, it seems like this situation exactly fits the definition of 'whataboutism'?

Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by pkd on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:25PM (#30340723)
You wish that Trudeau opened debate with people who demanded that his government be deposed and replaced by the protest organisers?
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by rasz on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:53PM (#30341041)
Thats precisely how communism fell in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by pkd on Sunday February 20, 2022 @01:04AM (#30403598)
Indeed, but we are not talking about bringing down an undemocratic government here. There are democratic ways to replace a government in a democracy.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by soupbowl on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:50PM (#30341005)
The organizers never suggested that.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by bawolff on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:12PM (#30341221)
They published documents saying that.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by downrightmike on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:28PM (#30340749)
Don't be so pedantic, people ARE literally dying because assholes keep spreading misinforamtion and the virus around.
Re:Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act by jsjsbdkj on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:57PM (#30340423)
If you want to talk about people whose lives have been taken away - there are far more Ottawa residents in the streets defying the police than there are truckers. This occupation has galvanized a small segment of the population, but there's a much larger group that was not politically active before and now they hate anti-vaxxers.

There was nothing to debate - the convoy does not have a cohesive message. Some of them are sovereign citizens. Some of them want the government to be dissolved. Some of them want some weird QAnon stuff. The only thing that unites them is shitting in the streets and driving around waving flags and honking.