Joe Rogan's perception troubles come from having little in the way of standards. He'll have on Penn Jillette one day, then someone who thinks Penn Jillette is a self-censoring, goose-stepping, party line fascist for making his podcast intro nonbinary-inclusive. It's ideological whiplash to someone who observes through an ideological lens.

If you want to really 100% understand where someone you don't otherwise like or agree with is coming from, then three or more unedited hours of that person essentially talking without interruption is a great service. Personally, I haven't found that useful. The summary usually matches the expansion. Tim Pool (for example) made a good point or two that time he was on with the Twitter people, but it didn't meaningfully change what I think of him.