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Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:00AM (#30331474)
I forget where this was, but I recall seeing video of police crossing on a crosswalk undercover and whenever a vehicle would fail to yield a cruiser would appear and pull the offender over.

I would like to see a lot more of this. In Chicago, people have always blown red lights at speed right in front of parked police cars because they know police won’t do anything (and I’m not even sure if the police are allowed to do anything—allegedly they can’t chase suspects unless they believe they are a threat to society, and I’m not sure that includes “reckless driving”).

The article didn’t mention it, but I also wonder if this (like the surge in violent crime) is driven in part by changes in policing following the BLM protests (e.g., police make fewer traffic stops for fear of finding themselves in an incriminating situation).

Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by _dain_ on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:09AM (#30331545)
>I would like to see a lot more of this.

The problem is, it doesn't scale, especially in a city as big and violent as Chicago. It only works so long as police keep their foot on the gas (so to speak); they minute they let up on traffic enforcement (because of competing priorities) things will get worse again.

If one person speeds, that person is an idiot. But if everyone speeds, the road engineer is an idiot. A systemic problem like this is a result of poor road design, not individual deviant drivers. Police should not be burdened with the responsibility of ensuring safety in a system that is unsafe by design. The roads need to be redesigned so that drivers naturally feel unsafe at high speed.

Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:15AM (#30331601)
As it stands, Chicago has police cars all over the place (in every neighborhood I’ve lived in anyway) often just sitting there parked and by my estimation there’s close to zero traffic enforcement, so we certainly seem to have a lot of capacity for maintaining this sort of enforcement and I suspect it would be like introducing a few wolves into a national park—it doesn’t take much enforcement to drive significant, broad changes.

> A systemic problem like this is a result of poor road design, not individual deviant drivers.

In many cases, I agree that there is a systemic problem at play, but these cases tend to be highways (i.e., no pedestrians) and the issue is politicians setting speed limits which traffic engineers understand to be unsafely low for the road’s design (the safest speed being that which 85% of drivers would naturally drive if unencumbered). And it hardly matters how engineers design the road because politicians will always respond to a vocal minority who argue that the limits should be lower.

However with respect to streets (i.e., places where pedestrians belong) rather than highways, the issue is only systemic with respect to enforcement—many other parts of the country (or even the same places with different enforcement) have similar streets but drivers are better behaved. Which isn’t to say that there isn’t room for improvement everywhere, but only that the issue isn’t “Chicago has stupid street engineers”.

Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by Aeolun on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:40AM (#30331846)
We have automated pictures/registration and ticketing for cars that blow past a red light or somewhere else a camera is installed, if you have enough of them nobody speeds anywhere (without punishment)
Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by zhdc1 on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:22AM (#30331666)
> The problem is, it doesn't scale, especially in a city as big and violent as Chicago. It only works so long as police keep their foot on the gas (so to speak); they minute they let up on traffic enforcement (because of competing priorities) things will get worse again.

Why would you need active policing to enforce traffic lights and pedestrian crosswalks?

I don't like them either, but traffic camera work.

Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by lotsofpulp on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:12AM (#30331572)
Traffic circles / roundabouts would go a long way.
Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by dboreham on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:22AM (#30331665)
Plenty of roundabouts here in Montana.
Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by donkeyd on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:29AM (#30331744)
I recently saw a video of an awareness campaign by police at a crosswalk. Someone in a heart costume was trying to cross the road (at the crosswalk) and nobody stopped. When one car did end up stopping, it got rear ended by another car that didn't.
Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by musicjohn on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:28AM (#30331733)
I think you're describing the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tf6dFhH-nA
Re:Pedestrian deaths spike in U.S. as reckless driving surges by throwaway894345 on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:10AM (#30332168)
Yep, that's the one!