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Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by pasabagi on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:03AM (#30330994)
I wish it was just consumption! If houses always depreciated in value, then they would cost about as much as it costs to build them.

Unfortunately, because a bunch of political factors, they endlessly balloon in price.

Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by sokoloff on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:23AM (#30331140)
I think houses mostly do depreciate in value. The land underneath them does not and this can often mask the former.

I live in a nice part of my city. My house is 100 years old, has terrible insulation, very old retrofit wiring, and needs constant maintenance to stave off decline. The house, with all the upgrades over the years, is likely worth about what it was when built. The land underneath it is a lot more valuable than it was 100, or even 25, years ago.

Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by pasabagi on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:37AM (#30331274)
Seems like semantics to me: you can't buy a house without essentially buying land. If you could, I absolutely would.

The fundamental problem here is not one of economics, but of politics. You can't live in a stable, dignified manner without paying to be part of a state-run monopoly (land ownership), so everybody who can does, so land titles (note the word) become absurdly expensive.

There is no real connection between land and living space - multiple story housing exists, and if housing was built to a reasonable density, there's more than enough land for everybody to live in whatever size house they could afford to build.

Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by sokoloff on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:43AM (#30331327)
It’s sensible though to think “Why don’t houses depreciate like used cars? After all, they also wear out.”

Side note 1: There are places where you can (sometimes only can) lease the land for 99 years. This has the predictable effect in terms of willingness to build/improve the land, especially as the lease term is drawing to an end.

Side note 2: these discussions almost inevitably summon the proponents of land-value-tax to encourage denser use of valuable land. They’ll be along shortly, I’m sure.

Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by lotsofpulp on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:08AM (#30331538)
> There is no real connection between land and living space - multiple story housing exists, and if housing was built to a reasonable density, there's more than enough land for everybody to live in whatever size house they could afford to build.

All land does not have the same or even similar perceived utility to all people. Some land is has much more demand relative to supply than other land.

Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by fomine3 on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:13PM (#30340593)
Technically it's possible: House Moving. But perhaps not worth in most cases.
Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by the-dude on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:59AM (#30331468)
I believe in Japan houses are considered fungible. There even might be a taboo in living in a 'used' house.
Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by djbebs on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:22AM (#30331132)
The houses do. The land they're on don't
Re:What to know about the stock market (2007) by pasabagi on Monday February 14, 2022 @07:38AM (#30331284)
Kitchens also don't appreciate in value. However, if you're trying to rent a flat in berlin, you'll probably find yourself paying brand-new+ prices for the previous tenant's kitchen.