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Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by gojomo on Friday September 23, 2011 @07:20PM (#3031966)
This miscalculation of revenue was one of the major issues highlighted by these two business/accounting professors:

http://blogs.smeal.psu.edu/grumpyoldaccountants/archives/281 "TRUST NO ONE, PARTICULARLY NOT GROUPON’S ACCOUNTANTS"

Their two other major concerns:

• Groupon's positive cash-flow is a temporary illusion:

"After downplaying the ACSOI, Groupon has begun touting its 2010 free cash flow of $72.2 million (operating cash flow of $86.9 million less property and equipment purchases of $14.7 million). Unfortunately, operating and free cash flows are driven solely by the fact that Groupon is dragging its feet in remitting coupon sale payments to its merchants. Had merchants been paid in a timely fashion, the Company’s free cash flows would likely have been closer to zero and possibly even negative. Seriously, in a competitive market space, how long does Groupon believe that it can get away with a 60 day payment delay (or longer) to merchants? Merchants simply cannot stay in business by providing services (even discounted ones), two months ahead of payment. Simply put, Groupon’s free cash flows aren’t real. They come from an unusual (and likely temporary) vendor financing model, and are not sustainable."

• Groupon's internal controls are inadequate to make their self-reported numbers credible:

"It is absolutely ludicrous to think that Groupon is anywhere close to having an effective set of internal controls over financial reporting having done 17 acquisitions in a little over a year. When a company expands to 45 countries, grows merchants from 212 to 78,466, and expands its employee base from 37 to 9,625 in only two years, there is little doubt that internal controls are not working somewhere. Any M&A expert will agree. And don’t forget that Groupon admitted to having an inexperienced accounting and reporting staff. Note that Ernst & Young supplied an audit opinion about the financial statements but not about the entity’s internal control system. E&Y instead points out, “We were not engaged to perform an audit of the Company’s internal control over financial reporting. Our audits included consideration of internal control over financial reporting as a basis for designing audit procedures that are appropriate in the circumstances, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of the Company’s internal control over financial reporting.” So we ask how have these weak or nonexistent controls affected the numbers Groupon reports? Can we trust these numbers?"

Groupon's business-professor cofounder, Eric Lefkofsky, has dumped about $382 million of his shares in the prior private financings.

Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by sk_0919 on Friday September 23, 2011 @07:49PM (#3032034)
>> Groupon's business-professor cofounder, Eric Lefkofsky, has dumped about $382 million of his shares in the prior private financings.

It's important to know what percentage of his total shares he dumped to form an opinion on this.

Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by gojomo on Friday September 23, 2011 @08:27PM (#3032106)
Fair enough. Per AllthingsD [1], Andrew Mason has sold about 4 million shares, for $27 million. Per the latest S-1 [2], it appears Mason retains about 23.5 million shares, so he's sold about 15% of his earlier stake.

Eric Lefkofksy has sold (through related entities jointly owned with his wife) about 32 million shares, for $382 million. From the latest S-1, it appears he and his LLCs retain about 129 million shares, so he's sold about 20% of his earlier holdings.

Interestingly, Groupon also paid out about $27 million in dividends in 2009.

Mason diversifying away from Groupon makes good sense, without sending much of a negative signal, as his net worth was probably 99%+ in Groupon before the 2009 dividend and then later stock sales. Lefkofsky was already very wealthy (and thus presumably diversified) from other ventures, so his sales are a stronger signal that he thinks other investments are more promising.

[1] http://allthingsd.com/20110602/where-did-groupons-billion-do...

[2] http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1490281/0001047469110...

Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by mbesto on Saturday September 24, 2011 @08:29AM (#3033088)
Ok, so I'm trying to wrap my head around he ultimately gets screwed on this... Are the people/entities who bought $382mil worth of shares potentially screwed now that they see the real valuation? Is there any potential for fraud in this case?
Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by itswindy on Saturday September 24, 2011 @01:56PM (#3033849)
He probably sold to (supposedly) sophisticated investors that thought they'd scam retail investors later on.
Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by VladRussian on Friday September 23, 2011 @10:46PM (#3032326)
>It's important to know what percentage of his total shares he dumped to form an opinion on this.

not in such a case. 382M out of close to 1B round - it is obvious that he dumped _all_ what he could dump. The rest of his holding doesn't matter - it is just paper.

Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by jonnathanson on Friday September 23, 2011 @07:55PM (#3032048)
Agreed. It's certainly not unheard of, or even necessarily unsavory, for founders and early-stage investors to take some profit off the table in later financing rounds. Since Groupon received HUGE financing prior to IPO, taking $382mm out might not have amounted to a giant percentage. Then again, it may have. But the percentage is indeed the more interesting figure.
Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by damoncali on Friday September 23, 2011 @10:30PM (#3032298)
I'm more interested in how many shares the founders wanted to sell.
Re:Groupon Restates Revenue, Revenue Fell In Half, COO Exits by antr on Saturday September 24, 2011 @09:02AM (#3033133)
If Groupon goes public at a $20bn valuation it will harm future startups. Groupon is not worth that valuation. If professional investors IPO Groupon at a $20bn valuation, this will seriously harm public markets, specially retail, non-savvy investors. The public will then question the whole startup ecosystem, their valuations and even see it as a bubble 2.0. Those professional investors/VCs (Kleiner Perkins, DST, etc.) who have purchased Groupon equity have to suck up their losses. It is their fault for buying into Groupon at dubious valuations. If VCs pump and dump Groupon, VCs will gain a reputation equal to those in Wall Street.