How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by camhart on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:39PM (#30305324)

"It's interesting, these titles," Musk said. "You know that there's actually only three titles that actually mean anything for a corporation? It's president, secretary, and treasurer. And technically they can be the same person. And all these other titles are just basically made up. So CEO is a made-up title, CFO is a made-up title. General counsel, a made-up title. They don't mean anything."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXtjnNWUeAk

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by shard on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:09PM (#30305686)

I thought General Counsel means you have a JD?

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by HideousKojima on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:13PM (#30308649)

What Musk is saying is that from a legal perspective, there are only three job titles/roles that must be filled in a corporation. Beyond that, they could literally have titles like "Grand Chief Space Wizard" and "Cheesy Toast" for various jobs and roles. They could call the role of General Counsel "Asshole in a Suit."

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by inawarminister on Friday February 11, 2022 @11:21PM (#30309919)

IIRC Musk's job title in Tesla (?) now is 'Techno King'.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by smorgusofborg on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:59PM (#30307523)

I think this quote is actually about a different point. The President, Secretary and Treasurer don't need any actual credentials for their role like a council needs a JD, but they have specific responsibility/liability in corporate legal structures.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by fleetwoodsnack on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:29PM (#30308755)

The man is plainly over-reaching here, though perhaps it's an expression meant to bolster his public persona, and not an actual representation of his knowledge.

General counsel (at least in the Anglo-American context) means the senior legal advisor to an organization. As attorneys, they are required by law to have admission to the bar of the relevant jurisdiction, and to observe certain ethical standards and practices. This is not a made-up title and if it is that means there's a lawsuit for unauthorized practice of law that hasn't been filed yet.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by bradknowles on Sunday February 13, 2022 @10:27PM (#30328068)

Nope. I don’t know that you necessarily even need to have passed the bar exam in a given jurisdiction, much less have any kind of actual degree.

IMO, you’d be stupid to take a job like that if you didn’t have the degree and have passed one or more bar exams in the appropriate related jurisdiction(s), but I don’t know that it’s actually required.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by shadowfox on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:20PM (#30305841)

You generally need that and typically reasonable experience wrangling different legal matters at scale. I guess Musk was just being Musk.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by Hermitian909 on Friday February 11, 2022 @06:35PM (#30308334)

You'd need to be licensed to perform the various legal duties one expects of general counsel, but general counsel is not a protected title and thus anyone within the company could be given the title. Musk is right on this one.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by sam_lowry_ on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:15PM (#30306462)

I think that Musk is technically right.

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Re:How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior ... by danielvaughn on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:05PM (#30306362)

Love it. Yeah I find myself mentoring junior engineers, writing code myself, reading documentation on tech I've never worked with before, designing email templates, writing marketing copy, crafting business plans, calculating sweat equity, etc etc. So at the end of the day...tf do titles mean

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