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Re:There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths... by headsoup on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:49AM (#30300808)
It's an interesting thing though that I often see these two views provided simultaneously:

> Long Covid symptoms are most likely caused by Covid (even if barely symptomatic from the initial infection! - example: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/health/long-covid-asympto...).

> Vaccine side effects are most likely not the vaccine, but stress, hospital restrictions, lockdowns, prior infections, less exercise, bad diet, etc.

Not really a consistent baseline or set of controls there.

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Re:There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths... by morelisp on Friday February 11, 2022 @09:04AM (#30301599)
> "Vaccine side effects are most likely not the vaccine"

Nobody says this. Vaccine side effects are of course the vaccine, by definition. Stop obfuscating what you really mean, which is "an enormously broad range of symptoms present in people who took the vaccine, and also many who did not, which no serious medical professional will attribute completely to a vaccination."

But even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean that: It's perfectly consistent if you believe that COVID is poorly-understood and mutating, and the vaccines are well-understood and consistent over time. Which are both true.

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Re:There was an unexpected 40% increase in ‘all cause deaths... by TrispusAttucks on Friday February 11, 2022 @09:03AM (#30301588)
The control part is an interesting problem. If everyone gets vaccinated we have no control group. Which would be helpful for long term comparisons on outcomes.
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