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Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by raxxorrax on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:32AM (#30300655)
Energy transport is difficult but there would be much better locations, especially for islands. This is just mismanagement.
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by wrp on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:12AM (#30301017)
Having experienced extended exposure to the kind of low-frequency noise emitted by wind farms and its effect on psychological health, I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture."

I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise and have noticeable health effects on the community.

There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms.

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by raxxorrax on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:26AM (#30301180)
I believe it. Frequencies in that regions are known to cause discomfort. In my opinion they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live.
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by mdp2021 on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:35AM (#30301276)
> they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live

Surely, that societies have a clear idea that noise pollution must be a concern would be duly and civilized -

but, that territory impairing infrastructure is placed in the few quiet places remaining, is a special kind of madness in itself.

Also considering that urban areas in many territories already are a huge compromise in terms of quiet, so you will want to keep the few unpolluted places remaining as a reserve...

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by BoxOfRain on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:12AM (#30302329)
Certainly not my area of expertise but would it be possible to arrange the turbines in such a manner the phase of the sound waves they're generating cancels out the harmful infrasound?
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by csdvrx on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:47AM (#30301411)
> I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture."

Unfortunately, the topic of windmills is getting politized, and complaining against the negative effects is now being ridiculed and tried to antivaxxing and luddism.

> > There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms.

If even Trump couldn't prevent a wind farm near one of his Scottish properties, it's indeed mostly battles being lost:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-just-broug...

While nimbism may play a large role, the negative health effects reported by many people like you should not be neglected.

And I just don't understand why the damage to the wildlife is almost never mentionned.

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by tdsamardzhiev on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:14PM (#30307070)
Yeah, reading the comments, I was surprised how personally some people seem to take it.

>> has to be a lie - they haven't died from lack of sleep

C'mon guys, you can't be serious?!

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by lm28469 on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:25AM (#30301169)
> I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise

Especially since most cities get much quieter at night.

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by mdp2021 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:57AM (#30300888)
> better locations

That is an inherent difficulty with wind turbines, because the most efficient places for wind tend to be the places of optimal sound broadcast.

Though location wise, one big point would be: "Alongside the motorway? Ok, consistent. // In the middle of paradise? (...Speechless.)"

To place wind turbines where busy infrastructure already is would facilitate energy transport.

Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by raxxorrax on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:02AM (#30300920)
I thought about offshore installations in this case. But it is still very expensive. Otherwise proximity to users would make sense too.
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by rjsw on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:27AM (#30301191)
Where would be better? I think the Aegean Sea is quite deep so it wouldn't be possible to attach wind turbines to the seabed.
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by throw0101a on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:33AM (#30301245)
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by cinntaile on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:43AM (#30301352)
These are mostly in the prototype phase.
Re:Turbine “torture” for Greek islanders as wind farms proli... by dogma1138 on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:52AM (#30301469)
I’m not sure if there are better actually solution. A single wind turbine near a farmhouse brings out some warm ecofuture vibes however right now it seems more likely that what we will get is every hill top and the horizon near ever beach polluted with turbines.

Off shore wind farms are a nice idea until they block your entire view of the sea.

Wind should be a small scale solution for remote locations.

It doesn’t seem to me that any implementation of it on an industrial scale can be achieved without an environmental disaster of a different kind.

Small Nuclear Reactors and fusion really can’t come fast enough.