I was hitting it plaintext first, so a simple redirect to some subdomain instead of a bare redirect to https would probably work fine.
I don't trust letsencrypt and I don't want to give them or anyone else a list of which subdomains I use.
When I visit https://search.marginalia.nu I'm served with this different cert, which does include both wildcard and apex: https://crt.sh/?id=6125359537
Oof, I'm not sure if I would do that. Since "" stands for all sub domains.
The certificate is only for "*.marginalia.nu", which simply doesn't cover "marginalia.nu". It should give the same error on any platform and browser, unless their SSL implementation is broken.
Some browsers try to be smart and insert www automatically though.
https://marginalia.nu = https://crt.sh/?id=6046506678 (includes wildcard but NOT apex)
https://search.marginalia.nu = https://crt.sh/?id=6125359537 (includes both wildcard and apex)
Don't really understand their motive either. Maybe they thought I was cloud hosted or used some expensive API to do searches and were attempting to rack up big bills or something.
I wish I had a good solution to this. Cloudflare to mitigate DDOS attacks has somewhat of a “baby with the bathwater” vibe (considering how much of a pain it is if you can't pass the CAPTCHA, or if you're on Tor), but I can't think of an alternative.
I've considered having a naked endpoint with a rate limiter that, when it hits some ceiling (dunno, sustained load of 2 RPS or so), offers the alternatives of going through an unlimited cloudflared domain, or waiting until the bots give up. But that might be annoying too.
edit: s/unlimited/unmetered/
There is often a “fair use policy”, and even without anything like that you need to consider the potential effect on the stuff you are actually running the service for (while a search engine is pulling random data as fast as they can, that transfer is competing against other network load). I have a couple of inexpensive hosted servers with genuinely unlimited bandwidth, but only at 100 and 250mbps respectively, better rates cost a fair chunk more without some sort of cap (usually of the form “after some-TB-or-some-tens-of-TB we'll throttle you to 100mpbs until your next billing month”.
Unlimited throughput on gbit/more lines is commonly available, but never both cheap and reliable.
It’s been a long time since you could call OVH “unreliable”, Hetzner chugs along just fine too.
I think you might just be stuck in 2004, reliable unmetered gbit+ has been cheap for years.
I suppose that depends on what you call cheap, and whether you include “guaranteed”/“dedicated” in the definition of reliable for bandwidth.
I'm looking at things mainly from a personal projects & packups PoV, but demanding at least two drives for RAID1+ rather than the cheapest units. If you have money-making projects then the lines between cheap/inexpensive/reasonable might move.
> OVH / Hetzner
I have Hetzner down as “inexpensive” rather than cheap, assuming you count the older hardware in their auction lines (with their new-kit offerings being “reasonable”).
OHV is cheap if you are considering their lower-spec offerings, but those are at limited rates (100mbit usually in the case of Kimsufi branded services, 250mbit for SYS) and IIRC that rate is not guaranteed (while not a massively oversold resource like you'll see in many VPS/shared/similar hosting arrangements, there are enough machines sharing a larger resource that if many try saturate their allocation at the same time they'll hit congestion even within the DC rather than just when your traffic touches external peering).
(Don't take the above as a criticism of Kimsufi/SYS - they are honest & open about the limits of the services they sell (older hardware, limited max network throughput) - I get what I pay for, which is no less than promised, and I've found them to be reliable over the years I've had services with them)
Then there are no cheap options. Even frivolously expensive “cloud” providers don’t give you this.
The reality is that there are very few customers that actually have a real need for “guaranteed”/“dedicated” bandwidth.
For example Deutsche Telekom: They don't accept free direct peerings. Sending data to them indirectly frequently runs into congestion issues. For a while Hetzner offered a paid option for better connectivity to DTAG. It looks like Hetzner added a direct peering in 2020.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200205014018/https://wiki.hetz...
True, when there is no deliberate cap stated, it's unmetered, not unlimited, meaning you can use what however much fits through the pipes (usually best effort instead of guaranteed bandwidth), and that's the natural limit. A 1 Gbit/s link for example will get you close to 300 TiB in each direction in a 30 day month if you are able to saturate that link 24/7, while a 100MBit/s link will get you a tenth so "only" close to 30TiB.
A search engine pulling data from /dev/urandom as in the post that started this discussion is likely to impact other uses of the 100mbit link from Kimsufi. Worse if bad luck means multiple hits of that sort at the same time.
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There are really good deals available, all of these still come with a decent margin for the reseller.
Core i3-2310 8GB RAM 2x2TB HDD 1Gbps Unmetered €16
Core i5-2300 16GB RAM 2x2TB HDD 1Gbps Unmetered €24
E3-1225 16GB RAM 2x2TB HDD 1Gbps Unmetered €35 (iGPU enabled)
W3520 16GB RAM 2x2TB HDD 1Gbps Unmetered €40I’ve heard this false notion so many times on HN and every time I check it out, the provider says clearly that they don’t allow for unlimited bandwidth.
So please tell me the provider. I’ll pay for a month of service for 10 Gbps unlimited service and then I’ll saturate that line up and down stream for an entire month.
And we’ll just see what happens, ok?
Unmetered rather than unlimited of course, but OVH, Online.net, Hetzner. These are rather well-known providers.
I haven't checked all of them for the exact language but Hetzner explicitly says "All dedicated root servers have unlimited traffic" for example.
Of course, they do have a limit for servers with 10 Gbps connections probably because of people like you who like to push the limits beyond what is reasonable.
I have extensive experience maxing out unmetered 10gbit lines with these providers 24/7. It’s been years and years since a host last tried to FUP me, bandwidth is just really cheap now.
(a) may not be that much, in reality, depending on how their network is set up, and how much other traffic there is at any given moment. It also depends where you're routing to, whether e.g. (i) your neighbour or (ii) a DC across the world (neither is clearly better, it all depends). You have to think of it through the lens of physics and information theory, rather than law and business models.
If he were only talking about meters or caps, then that would therefore make his point a bit of a non sequitur in the context of an argument about whether tarpitting/blackholing a connection is risky for the serving party.
(FWIW, at past companies I've not-infrequently encountered network saturation even without an artificial cap from whomever we were peering with.)