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Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by pastacacioepepe on Friday February 11, 2022 @06:58AM (#30300358)
The fragility of the American exceptionalism.

What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are?

Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy.

Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results?

Why would we want Facebook/Meta, the ridicolously troubled corporation hated by pretty much everyone at this point?

Why would we want Amazon, famous for exploiting it's workforce, using old wild west methods against unions, exploiting its own sellers by copying their products and selling them for less?

Why would we want Microsoft and Apple and their cartel like attitudes, when we could have a different paradigm of software/hardware that goes to benefit everyone, instead of existing only as a competitive advantage to take over the market?

All of this companies will do anything in their power (lecit or not) to increase their market share and avoid paying taxes.

You can keep your silicon valleys and your oligocratic economy, thank you.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:07AM (#30300441)
> We don't want ....[x, y, z]

Then why are those US tech companies so successful in the EU with no viable local competitors, if nobody wants them?

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by simion314 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:54AM (#30300854)
>They why are those US tech companies so successful in the EU with no viable local competitors, if nobody wants them?

US tech has too much money they burn it on shit. So any potential competitor is bought, you see some UK AI company pops up then Google buys it and 1 year later you read how Google made huge progress in AI. IMO EU needs to first fix the illegal US companies tax tricks, also fix the Apple software tax or apply a similar tax on closed platforms, "the closed platform tax" , this would mean less money for US SV devs to waste on shit ty stuff and more money for EU devs to try do something better.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by jondwillis on Friday February 11, 2022 @09:23AM (#30301798)
So, why are these noble, incorruptible EU-based companies selling out?
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by simion314 on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:16AM (#30302377)
For money, I did not say are incorruptible. I explained why you will not see a FB or Google,Intel,Apple private competitor appear , it will be bought, the competitors will appear from China for sure, they have already mastered the smartphone , they are working on CPUs , I am not into social media but I read that they have pretty good alternatives to US versions too.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by pastacacioepepe on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:12AM (#30300472)
Everybody loves drugs, nobody likes dealers
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:20AM (#30300544)
We can agree to associate social media with drugs, but Microsoft, Apple, AWS and Google are providing consumers with many products for which we have no equivalent competitors locally.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ddalex on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:47AM (#30301412)
But there are local competitors, they just got smothered and bought up by US based corps.

Why ? Because the US has a lot more money, which translates to more money for investors to dominate the economic landscape.

Why does the US have more money ? Well, if I want to buy an ice cream from the US for a dollar , I first need to sell something to an American for that dollar. US banks can just mint that dollar from thin air

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @09:20AM (#30301754)
>? Well, if I want to buy an ice cream from the US for a dollar , I first need to sell something to an American for that dollar. US banks can just mint that dollar from thin air

I don't get this argument as the reverse is also true. If the US wants to buy French cheese and wine, it needs Euros to do that and the ECB can just print Euros out of thin air.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by the_other on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:29AM (#30300622)
I want to start an Apple competitor. I have a plan; it's interesting, fun and deep. But I lack skills (I'm a FED, not an OS or hardware engineer, and I've not done funding rounds and I only have cheap suits). If I exist, there's likely similar-minded folk out there.

(UK here; not quite Europe any more; not my fault or choice)

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by spywaregorilla on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:39AM (#30300713)
Do you really have a plan if you lack the requisite skills?
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by bennyp101 on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:25AM (#30301172)
Step 5 of the plan - Find people with the skills to implement steps 1-4
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @09:24AM (#30301803)
EU has an over-abundance of talent due to the great free schools. Finding people with skills is not an issue. It's finding the VC and investors willing to burn through billions in losses years on end hoping that maybe they make a profit one day, that's the problem.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by mavhc on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:18AM (#30302397)
Why are competitors not viable?

Because the USA is a large protectionist market that doesn't like EU companies doing business there?

Because USA outspends EU to become dominant?

Because even with the EU wide laws, it's still more expensive to follow every local law compared to USA vs USA states?

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by lsaferite on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:55AM (#30302868)
> Because the USA is a large protectionist market that doesn't like EU companies doing business there?

Could you explain this one a little more?

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by trasz on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:04PM (#30304801)
When US can't compete, they just ban stuff. See Huawei and TikTok.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:01AM (#30300379)
I'm European.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by pastacacioepepe on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:07AM (#30300434)
Well I'm not really answering to you (as an individual/person), but to the concept you expressed, which is VERY american.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:14AM (#30300489)
I didn't express my concept, I expressed the reality that US tech companies have universally conquered Europe. If the EU would have had the ability to compete in these sectors, then we would have done it already ever since we found out in 2013 that the US is spying on us, or way before that. But nothing changed since then. Almost every EU company and government institution is using Microsoft products and all consumers use Apple, Google or Windows. Where is this EU competition here?
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by MomoXenosaga on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:06AM (#30302264)
The sad reality is that we have all tied ourselves to America which was considered an unsinkable bastion of Western democracy and civilization.

As Europeans we should have known better: all nations rise and fall.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by psd1 on Friday February 11, 2022 @06:53PM (#30308467)
Linus Torvalds is Finnish and was studying in Finland when he created Linux.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday February 12, 2022 @07:28AM (#30312273)
So what? We were talking about companies not individuals. The Linux kernel is not a company, not a product you can buy and neither is Linus Torvalds.

Plus, for the last 20+ years Linus has been working from the US while also gaining US citizenship. Case in point for US tech dominance, talent bread in Europe ends up in the US.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by CRConrad on Saturday February 12, 2022 @06:14PM (#30317337)
Bred.

But, sure, the US is acquiring European bread talent too: Sourdough, baguette, ciabatta...

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by zaarn on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:05AM (#30300418)
Doesn't make you immune to american exceptionalism.
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by ChuckNorris89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:18AM (#30300528)
I'm expressing the reality/facts that US BIG-tech has conquered Europe and we haven't had any viable competitors to them that can re-conquer our local market, despite knowing the privacy and surveillance implications of using US BIG-tech for years now.

If you wish to negate the facts and call me names in return, then its your issue.

Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by nindalf on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:22AM (#30300555)
You’re tilting at windmills here. The several people you replied to appear to be in serious denial. Why break that?
Re:Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act by mavhc on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:19AM (#30302405)
When you say We you're not talking about the 100s of millions of users each of these companies has in the EU then?