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Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by oxplot on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:36PM (#30296596)
Like sibling post mentioned, you don't seem to be the target audience. I know a lot of people, friends and family, who constantly leave stuff behind, in restaurants, other people's places, on the train, in shops, you name it. 99% of the time, no one's gonna steal it, but trying to figure out where the hell you left something, if you do leave stuff behind often, becomes increasingly difficult. With something like an Airtag, it's no longer an issue. You get altered before you get too far, and even if you do, you can figure out later where your stuff is.

I once left my umbrella in a hire car. It took me 2 weeks to realize it was missing. Turns out no one touched it and I could see it on the map, in the parking lot of the hire car company. So I showed up, and within minutes, we pinned down which car it was in. Without Airtag, I would not even remember where I could have possibly left it, after two weeks! Learnt my lesson to turn on separation alert after that.

Now I need a smaller Airtag for my sunglasses — expensive and easy to leave behind.

Needing an Airtag is like needing a case for your phone. A lot of people keep dropping their phone so they put a case on it. In 13 years of owning a smart phone, I've never dropped mine. But I don't claim that phone cases are only useful if you throw your partner's phone off the balcony after a fight.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by tomxor on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:37AM (#30301292)
> you don't seem to be the target audience

You are missing the point.

They are not the target audience, but they are affected negatively by it regardless. It's for Apple users at the expense of everyone else.

The criticism is not about the individual utility of airtags, it's about how it creates a privacy issue for everyone who is not an Apple user.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by oxplot on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:07PM (#30308962)
> You are missing the point.

And you should read past the first line.

> The criticism is not about the individual utility of airtags, it's about how it creates a privacy issue for everyone who is not an Apple user.

In the same manner, it’s not about utility of individual phone cases, it’s about all the plastic waste it creates for the whole planet.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by anormaluser on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:53PM (#30296723)
How expensive is your umbrella? Just curious.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by oxplot on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:05PM (#30296812)
$50-ish — but that's not the point. I value my belongings because I spend great deal of time researching and finding products that I love using day in day out (unlike most people who constantly curse at stuff they have). I also modify things I buy to fine tune it to my needs. So even a $50 umbrella is more like $1000 in terms of time I've spent on it and I have no intention of doing it again. This particular umbrella was purchased 20 years ago in Spain.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by simondotau on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:44PM (#30297089)
The notion of an umbrella lasting 20 years boggles my mind. I've never had one last more than 2–3 years and I don't use them much. I've looked for premium umbrellas before but every time I find one that isn't ridiculously priced, there's always a contingent of reviewers who insist that it fell apart in heavy wind or frequent use.

Normally I buy $10 umbrellas from Australia's big hardware store chain. They aren't great but they're easily robust enough to last for a year or two. (Cheap umbrellas from anywhere else tend to break if you look at them funny, and they rust if you get them wet.)

I'd be willing to pay $120 AUD (or $80 USD) for an umbrella that was seriously good quality, recognising that the economics imply that it would need to last for at least a decade to be cost competitive.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by estaseuropano on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:43AM (#30297869)
Like for many products there is an entire segment of the market that most people never even know exists. E.g. premium umbrellas that are made to last against wind and wear. I have this one, has so far lasted close to 10 years.

https://www.senz.com/

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by MaxikCZ on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:51AM (#30298915)
I would guess a lot of people would bet such market segment exists, but are unable to find a manufacturer/seller. Since higher price often doesnt mean higher quality, its hard to distinguish expensive tools that will last decades from similarly priced tools that wont last as much.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by lucumo on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:35AM (#30298226)
My wife had a small one around the time you bought yours. Started to rust after a few uses... I guess that sort of demonstrates GPs point.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by dreamcompiler on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:02AM (#30299030)
It's certainly possible to build and even buy a very robust umbrella. I suspect the reason most people don't is that they know they're going to be lost or stolen.*

It's why Amsterdam bicyclists don't ride $5000 bikes.

*Especially in Tokyo. If you drop a wallet full of cash on the street in Tokyo, someone will chase you down to return it. But if you turn your back on your umbrella in Tokyo, kiss it goodbye. Then you have to steal another one.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by thinkingemote on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:11AM (#30299110)
I have a confession. A first time visitor from a small European town to a Japanese city last millennium, it was raining and a department store had buckets with mostly white or transparent umbrellas by the door.

How civilized, I thought, that a company would provide free umbrellas to shoppers when it rains, and so I took one.

Turns out that's where you out your umbrella when entering the store...

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by dreamcompiler on Friday February 11, 2022 @11:20AM (#30303207)
That's what everybody there does. I don't think the story is "everybody in Japan is honest except about umbrellas" but rather that the Japanese simply consider umbrellas to be community property.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by oxplot on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:11AM (#30297271)
> I'd be willing to pay $120 AUD (or $80 USD) for an umbrella that was seriously good quality

https://au.davekny.com/ has good stuff although I haven't had one long enough (only 5 years) to attest its durability.

They also have some promising guarantee terms: https://au.davekny.com/pages/lifetime-guarantee

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by null_object on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:58AM (#30297614)
I’ve been using a small folding umbrella from MUJI that I bought 8 years ago. Not particularly expensive.

My partner has probably been through about ten umbrellas in the same time-span, because she was reluctant to spend the modest extra amount for something she doubted would last so long. I recently bought her the same model of umbrella from MUJI, although it’s too early to say whether the company has maintained the build quality.

I think it’s this one (but hard to tell on their awful website) https://www.muji.eu/pages/online.asp?PID=14951&qclr=45503441...

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by simondotau on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:08AM (#30298030)
Approximately twice what I was hoping to pay, but damn those are some wild guarantees.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by girvo on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:14AM (#30299134)
Yeah same. Seems worth it though. I’ve spent more than $200 over the last 5-10 years on umbrellas easily.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by jfk13 on Friday February 11, 2022 @06:10AM (#30300007)
You should get Sam Vimes to tell you about his boots.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by koyote on Friday February 11, 2022 @05:31AM (#30299706)
My last Fulton umbrella lasted me nearly a decade of London drizzle and Sydney torrential rain until I left it on a plane a couple of months ago.

Sports direct (of all places) ships them to Australia and they are around half of your budget (https://au.sportsdirect.com/fulton).

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by ungamedplayer on Friday February 11, 2022 @05:10AM (#30299546)
I have a Bunnings umbrella that has lasted 10yrs, but to be fair, I do live in the sunshine state.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by lloeki on Friday February 11, 2022 @07:38AM (#30300699)
Parapluies de Cherbourg are definively worth the deal.

https://parapluiedecherbourg.com/en/

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by mehdix on Friday February 11, 2022 @05:42AM (#30299792)
I have a bike, with a lock more expensive than the bike itself. Since I value the time that would be necessary to replace the stolen item, not to mention the disturbance caused upon loss.

Totally agree with your point.

Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by jerryr on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:45AM (#30297520)
Please create or point me to your product review site!
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by shard on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:55PM (#30306881)
With how easy it is to lose an umbrella, and how difficult it is to retrieve most of the time, I prefer to think of umbrella as disposable items. Depending on where you live, your need for umbrellas might be different, but a significant amount of time, say ~20%, i need an umbrella and don't have one, so I end up buying some disposable version anyway.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by coldtea on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:33AM (#30299263)
Well, the $50 umbrella to last decades and the "tag things with sentimental/shopping research value" thing is not exactly the big motivator for AirTags, or a representative anecdotal case.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by victor9000 on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:30AM (#30297785)
Some things have value beyond what you pay at the till.
Re:An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking by shard on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:51PM (#30306833)
I suppose if nobody but you ever handles your phone, that might not be an issue. I rarely drop my phones but in a household with kids, that's no guarantee. I put cases on every phone I have.