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Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by namelessoracle on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @02:17PM (#30277087)
Number of papers published as a metric? Really?

I dare say that most of the papers being published would better serve to advance scientific knowledge if they were used as kindling to provide heat to primary school students.

Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by gnulinux on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:01PM (#30277647)
> I dare say that most of the papers being published would better serve to advance scientific knowledge if they were used as kindling to provide heat to primary school students.

Reading blatantly anti-intellectual statements like these are very appalling in HN, and I dare say this attitude has been exponentially increasing in the last couple years. I was essentially unheard-of back when I first signed up here.

Will you be able to explain us why you're of this opinion, so it has at least more substance?

Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by droopyEyelids on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:12PM (#30277813)
The best documented reason would be the ongoing replication crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Aside from that, focusing on quantity of papers published has incentivized publication of papers that don't significantly increase the store of useful knowledge to humanity, and function as a bit of a haystack to obscure actual useful results

Additionally the 'publish more papers' culture creates other moral hazards, like: 1. Cabals of reviewers who work to help publish each other without regard to the validity of the papers published. 2. Making authors who work for a long time on tougher science have a worse scholastic reputation than those who work to publish a large volume of insignificant papers. 3. Incentivizing p-hacking and alteration of paper scope to salvage insignificant/negative findings.

Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by _Wintermute on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:31PM (#30278076)
As a practicing scientist I can't say I disagree with the original statement. Most publications are the bare minimum to get past peer-review to add another line on the author's CV. This is incentivized by academia and the whole "publish-or-perish" attitude so early-stage researchers are expected to pump out a certain number of publications otherwise they'll be out of a career in 3 years.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by pyoeos on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:09PM (#30277768)
It's anti-intellectual to blindly assume that the majority of papers published right now are high quality.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by robbedpeter on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:51PM (#30278312)
This. Journals aren't science. They aren't even good for science. They create the wrong incentives for scientific publishing and are a primary driver of the replication crisis.

Open forums with science publishing for the sake of science should be the direction of travel, but we see a trajectory towards gatekeeping infected by corporate profiteering.

Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by R0b0t1 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:48PM (#30278282)
Same with assuming that prestigious schools are more likely to produce amazing research. I have found the absolute worst papers from otherwise respectable ivies. A case of someone buying their PhD, I assume.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by KoftaBob on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:07PM (#30277729)
I don't know if their argument of "quality over quantity" can be interpreted as anti-intellectual necessarily. If anything, I think that can be seen as pro-intellectual and against stats/funding-chasing.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by namelessoracle on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:43PM (#30279689)
Publish or perish encourages empty nonsense papers that dont add much value but do add noise.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by jimbokun on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:09PM (#30277761)
Perhaps, but isn't the ratio of crap to insight be relatively constant across nations? So the more total papers output, the more total insight.
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by namelessoracle on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @05:49PM (#30279776)
Does the company that produces crap software eventually produce good software by sheer volume over the company that takes its time and tries to release quality software?
Re:U.S. science no longer leads the world. Here’s how nation... by jimbokun on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @06:10PM (#30280046)
Sometimes.