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Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by ramesh31 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:59AM (#30273363)
>Most car software is rubbish.

Why is this? You'd think these massive corporations could afford the best SWE's in the world. And yet, the average infotainment system in a new car today is literally worse than an iPad from 2010.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by sircastor on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:14AM (#30273532)
I worked in infotainment for an Automaker. The engineers are fine. The hardware is often limited (because of expense or contacts), and the development timeline is 2-3 years.

Also, infotainment is not a make-or-break feature of the car. It might nudge people a little, but it’s not the thing, so it’s not as high a priority.

I will say for my former employer that I could get a better salary at almost any software company than there. The work was interesting though.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by MonaroVXR on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:12PM (#30278551)
Do you have information about working for an Automaker? Any myths? I'm interested!
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by myself248 on Thursday February 10, 2022 @03:42PM (#30292174)
Ditto here, I used to do infotainment flashing and testing. It's quite an interesting industry. These days I mostly work on sensor packages for development vehicles, so my infotainment knowledge is a bit stale.

A lot of automakers leave too much to their suppliers, and take too much on faith. The testing and validation is often happy-path only, show that it is capable of functioning properly, not that's incapable of functioning improperly. Pathetic but thrifty, as long as there are no standards for these things.

Mazda's gaffe here is that the boot-loop prevents the rear-view camera from working, which is a NHTSA requirement. So their 'courtesy replacement' is an attempt to avoid the shame of a true recall, as I understand it.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by decafninja on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:18AM (#30273588)
Probably the cost center vs. profit center thing.

SWEs working at these companies are probably hamstrung in what they can do.

From cheap economobiles to six figure luxury cars, I've yet to see an infotainment system that works better than CarPlay.

The last bastion for factory infotainment systems is that CarPlay/Android Auto doesn't integrate with factory HUD or instrument panel displays (whether the instrument panel is a big LCD itself, or a small one nestled between the gauges). But I hear even this is changing in some recent models. Once that revolution is finished, then I don't see why I'd ever use the factory infotainment software ever again instead of just CarPlay.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by nebula8804 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:59AM (#30274956)
It seems like the manufacturer is responsible for 'integration' of CarPlay into their systems. On a recent 2021 Hyundai Sonata rental, the Carplay system crashed multiple times while driving and forced me to pull over, unpair the phone and reconnect to get it working again. I don't think I have ever used any Apple software that was this glitchy. Makes me think that there is some screwups the manufacturer can still do despite Carplay coming from Apple.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by burnoutgal on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:03AM (#30273413)
Car companies do a lot of revenue, but margins are slim. When you actually have to build something out of metal and glass you have to be fixated on cost cutting.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by iso1210 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:13PM (#30278556)
Which is crazy, I've never chosen a car because it costs 1k more or less, but I have ruled out several manufacturers because their UI is awful, and I'm sure it doesn't costs $1k to put half a dozen real switches in
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by brokenmachine on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:45AM (#30297522)
100%. There must be a hell of a lot of chumps out there who are impressed by a shitty touchscreen.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:11AM (#30273497)
It is not their core competency.