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Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by the_snooze on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @08:55AM (#30272626)
It's probably reasonable to assume that car touchscreens are designed more to "look cool" at the time of sale than to actually be usable over the life of a vehicle. Car salesmen get to show off all sorts of high-tech bells and whistles, and that's more immediately impressive to buyers than the long-term practicality of physical knobs and switches.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by JohnBooty on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:36AM (#30273837)
Either that, or cost-savings.

One off-the-shelf touchscreen... vs. lots of little custom-molded and printed analog parts that have to be assembled by costly robots or costlier humans. Big savings, I think.

Whatever the case, it sure isn't because people like touch controls in their cars. Holy shit, what a universally reviled "feature."

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by koz1000 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @12:09PM (#30275077)
Touchscreen engineer here. There is no such thing as an 'off-the-shelf' capacitive touchscreen.

There is always custom engineering to match the customer's housing and bezel, tune the analog characteristics to the electrical environment, and handle other requests like a safer/thicker cover glass, optical bonding to the LCD, and low friction or hydro/oleophobic coatings on the surface.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by jessaustin on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @02:26PM (#30277195)
No one is denigrating this work, but it's obviously easier to consistently get right than the fiddly processes GP describes. There is a rectangle of a particular size, and various substances are applied to it.

You didn't mention UI design, which is the worst aspect of this technology.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by JohnBooty on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:49PM (#30282559)
Thanks for this informative reply!
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by dfxm12 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:32AM (#30273773)
I think this is part of it, "iPhones are cool, and this is like a giant iPhone!", but I think a larger part of it is that it's easier to design/program for and actually possible to update after the fact if that's required. There's probably something here for using the same parts across a whole line of cars, too vs testing and fitting buttons.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by Cxckers on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:02AM (#30272692)
Hopefully, those same customers will know better when coming to buy their next car after that, therefore reducing desire for touchscreen controls and hopefully, their extensive usage
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by the_snooze on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:24AM (#30272946)
I doubt that'll happen. It'll probably take the same trajectory as (smart) TVs: these crappy designs become the industry norm and it becomes very difficult to find alternatives.
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by Loughla on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:30AM (#30273010)
This is the answer. I would prefer to buy physical switches and dials, but the options just aren't there.

So I'm stuck with laggy, buggy, bad software and a stupid touchscreen full of features that I will never use.

Seriously, who needs to be able to play movies in their car's center front console?

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by the_snooze on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:46AM (#30273187)
At least as of two years ago, Honda pushed back against touchscreens dominating the center console: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32797/long-live-buttons-hondas... But looking at the 2022 HR-V, it seems like they've given up on that design philosophy:

>The automatic climate control system offers a high-tech touch-screen interface...

https://automobiles.honda.com/hr-v#interior

I'm of the opinion that the only touchscreen that belongs in a car is a barebones non-networked Apple CarPlay / Android Auto pass-through for sound and navigation. All other controls are physical.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by Schroedingersat on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:48AM (#30273213)
Also, why can't we just have a fucking shelf or a bracket.

Ever since radios stopped being a standard rectangle, and the dashboard was filled with kevlar sacks and explosives there's nowhere to put anything down.

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by JohnBooty on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:45AM (#30273998)
As of 5-6 years ago some (many? most?) cars still had a good old standard double-DIN slot for the infotainment unit, if you popped off the dashboard's plastic cover.

No clue if that's still true; I think it has become less true over time for sure.

There are benefits to automakers for retaining that standard form factor. Most factory-branded infotainment systems are made by a handful of OEM manufacturers like Bose. Bose makes systems for multiple automakers. So the double-DIN form factor has persisted, it's just hidden.

Problem is, for most cars, the climate controls and shit are all bundled into that infotainment system. So you can slot a standard double-DIN stereo into most modern cars, but you need a replacement dashboard panel and fairly elaborate kit to replace the OEM climate controls and whatever else.

Metra is a company that makes those kits, I think they were pretty much the only game in town last I looked into this. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-57MGZyBW0Mm/fg_112200_FFBrand%...

Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by dfxm12 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:35AM (#30273812)
On a somewhat related note, Mazda has said a few years ago that they will be staying away from touchscreens. I'm not sure if they've followed through. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...
Re:Thousands of Mazdas in the Seattle area are stuck on a si... by brokenmachine on Friday February 11, 2022 @12:34AM (#30297450)
Can't wait until we get in-car ads!