PHP – The Right Way

Re:PHP – The Right Way by TekMol on Monday February 07, 2022 @04:52AM (#30242520)

But you suffer the indirections caused by the fat stack that is needed to deal with the missing import system.

In Python, "import" actually imports the code.

In PHP, the "use" statement you see everywhere does not. It only works because the code has already "magically" been imported.

Usually by composer. Thats why there are tens of thousands of hits for "clear composer cache" on Google. To just point out one issue with the dependecy on a fat stack to deal with a missing import system.

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Re:PHP – The Right Way by CR007 on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:03AM (#30242611)

The fact that composer comes with an autoloader doesn't means that you have to autoload everything.

You can manual include, define your own extra auto loader and use interfaces to quick swap for custom implementations.

Like I said, +15 years. Composer is 9 years old. How do you think we handle this in our own Jurassic times?

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Re:PHP – The Right Way by TekMol on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:19AM (#30242728)

    You can manual include

I don't think that will work with any code that came out in recent years. Because it all expects that its dependencies are automagically included via composer.

In practice, every PHP based web application starts with Laravel or Symfony these days. So you are thrown into the composer workflow right away. And it would be a nightmare to fight it.

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Re:PHP – The Right Way by ihateolives on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:53AM (#30243550)

Web applications come in all shapes and sizes. If you have an application that just mediates data from database and exposes API to frontend then for couple of endpoints you don't even need router or any other packages, PHP has lots of stuff baked in. You just check if the request is GET/POST/PUT/DELETE/PATCH, work with data, output a header 'Content-Type: application/json', send the data and be done with it. Or output a html template with data or whatever. Or you can not use templates and mash it all together in PHP which already is a templating language. You can do it as simple or complicated as you need.

And then if you start needing additional functionality you can start adding packages with composer one by one. Of course it'd be stupid to build your own version of Symfony with it, but the beauty is that you can stop at any point you want if it covers your needs. This sort of thing would be much more hassle with say Java, without using any frameworks.

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Re:PHP – The Right Way by CR007 on Monday February 07, 2022 @05:35AM (#30242864)

Nope. I don't use these frameworks. But thanks for trying to assume how php is on 2022 and how all php devs work.

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Re:PHP – The Right Way by TekMol on Monday February 07, 2022 @06:16AM (#30243207)

How do you build web applications these days?

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